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dmckie
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Fudge Points for Class

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Is there a way to add Fudge Points to an entire class for a quiz?  Or do I have to manually add them in for every student?

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ns3320
Community Contributor

Hi  @dmckie ,

Unfortunately, you'll have to manually input the fudge points for each individual student. You can also just go through the gradebook and manually input a new score for students.

You could use the "Quiz Regrade" feature to change the correct answer for a question and award students back points that way. You can also set a default grade for a quiz, but this would just give all of the students in your course the same grade as opposed to just adding a certain amount of points: How do I set a default grade for an assignment? 

Best,
Nick

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langlangcat
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Why don't you curve the quiz instead? I know some faculty export the gradebook as CSV file and batch edit the score in the CSV and reupload the gradebook. Does it worth the effort?

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Nick,

That's a bummer, but thank you.

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burgerk
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Because Canvas is designed to literally suck time out of you. You know, remember the time you used to have to prepare fabulous lecture materials? Well, now with Canvas there is no time for that because it is so poorly designed and implemented that everything is as difficult to do as it can be. So you will spend hours banging your head against the wall trying to do something as simple as add 1 pt to everyone's quiz score. But no, that is not an obvious feature that anyone would fine useful.

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p_swedlund
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I think I have a fix that works. Export the grades, add the marks in a spreadsheet, reimport then you will see in speedgrader each student has the added fudge mark.

To get the new grade to display in the grade book I had to Update the score for just one student in speedgrader. 

 

 

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ns3320
Community Contributor

Hi  @dmckie ,

Unfortunately, you'll have to manually input the fudge points for each individual student. You can also just go through the gradebook and manually input a new score for students.

You could use the "Quiz Regrade" feature to change the correct answer for a question and award students back points that way. You can also set a default grade for a quiz, but this would just give all of the students in your course the same grade as opposed to just adding a certain amount of points: How do I set a default grade for an assignment? 

Best,
Nick

Nick,

That's a bummer, but thank you.

It would be an easy feature to add to allow you to adjust the quiz each quiz by 1 point.   I could do it faster in excel had I not used CANVAS.  Why not include it?

burgerk
Community Member

Because Canvas is designed to literally suck time out of you. You know, remember the time you used to have to prepare fabulous lecture materials? Well, now with Canvas there is no time for that because it is so poorly designed and implemented that everything is as difficult to do as it can be. So you will spend hours banging your head against the wall trying to do something as simple as add 1 pt to everyone's quiz score. But no, that is not an obvious feature that anyone would fine useful.

This isn't really a solution, this is just saying a functionality that would be immensely popular doesn't exist. An actual solution would be allowing instructors to request this fix (which, as a person who codes, shouldn't really be that difficult). An even better solution would be letting us know this would be added in a future release.

Is the real answer that Instructure already has a bunch of money from school districts and universities so they see no reason to pay software engineers to fix things? Why make the product better if you've already been adopted, right? But remember when we all used Blackboard and Skype? There's a reason those were replaced with Canvas and Zoom. Instructure needs to change Canvas with the needs of the users or it'll just be another extinct blip on the timeline of education.

Adding fudge points to all students in a class is an essential function. Blackboard has the function, but Canvas does not have. We need the function. Please add the function in your next release! I do not believe that Canvas does not listen to faculty feedback!. I have send feedback a number of times. My required features have never been implemented!

I gave feedback to Blackboard when ASU was using Blackboard. Blackboard added the features in the next release!

Another essential function that Blackboard has and Canvas does not have is:

Add extra time in % to all the quizzes of a student, or add extra time to a group of students for a given quiz.

Now, I have to add extra time for each of approved students and for each of the quizzes!

Hello @YinongChen ...

I can understand the frustration that you might have when it comes to wanting features in Canvas that you might have regularly used in another LMS such as Blackboard.  I'd disagree with your statement that Instructure (the folks that make Canvas) don't listen to faculty.  Although I am not faculty at our Tech College (I'm a Canvas administrator), I can tell you that they have implemented many Feature Ideas that have been requested from all sorts of roles (admins, faculty, students).  As an example, this coming weekend when the new release is pushed out (Saturday), the "sticky" course navigation menu will finally become a reality for people.  This is a Feature Idea that one of our own full-time faculty members at my school requested here in the Community.  Release Screencast: 2021-10-16 Navigation (Sticky ... - Instructure Community  Also, if you go to Idea Conversations - Instructure Community, there is an "Idea Statuses" block on the right side of the page where you can get an idea of how many Feature Idea have been implemented...and how many are in the works.  Many of those Feature Ideas were probably submitted by instructors.

I've also submitted Feature Ideas here in the Community.  Like you, I wish that some of my ideas would be implemented right away.  But, I also understand that Instructure does have a roadmap they follow...which does include getting feedback from people here in the Community...as well as getting feedback in other ways such as visits to schools, focus group, etc.  I've also seen where a couple of my Feature Ideas actually were implemented in Canvas...and I didn't think they would even have a chance of being implemented.  So, I was pleasantly surprised when those ideas were included in Canvas.

All this is to say that Instructure does listen to us as Community members.  While it may appear sometimes that we don't see Instructure staff always replying to our posts, I know for sure that they do read our comments here in the Community.  Here are a few Guides that explain more about Feature Ideas...

I hope this will help a bit.  Thanks...

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langlangcat
Community Contributor

Why don't you curve the quiz instead? I know some faculty export the gradebook as CSV file and batch edit the score in the CSV and reupload the gradebook. Does it worth the effort?

erica_wagner
Community Member

Having to open each student page, drag the scroll slider to the bottom, move the mouse over to the fudge points box, and clicking update score for each student is really hard on my wrist (I have carpal tunnel). Any word on the progress with updating this feature yet?

scrislee
New Member

Is there a category other than "solved" that could be applied to this issue?  I believe many instructors would support a new feature that allowed us to add the same number of points to every student's grade in a simple manner.  Can this be moved to a category such as "under review"?  

Many people have raised issues that would be addressed by applying fudge points to all students in a course.  For example:

https://community.canvaslms.com/t5/Question-Forum/Extra-credit-on-exam/m-p/449326#M153321

https://community.canvaslms.com/t5/Question-Forum/fudge-points/m-p/96874

https://community.canvaslms.com/t5/Question-Forum/Universal-fudge-points/m-p/230281#M128085

I respectfully ask @ns3320 @awilliams and other Surveyors to consider putting this on a list of proposed improvements.

I would like to throw in my support for developing an easy "curve" feature for grading.  This would be a great addition to the canvas platform.

p_swedlund
New Member

I think I have a fix that works. Export the grades, add the marks in a spreadsheet, reimport then you will see in speedgrader each student has the added fudge mark.

To get the new grade to display in the grade book I had to Update the score for just one student in speedgrader. 

 

 

This worked for me. Fudge points showed up for each student. Grades were hidden before I made this change; posting grades didn't seem to change anything.

Thanks for posting this solution!

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brettbarbaro
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I wanted to give everyone in the class 20 bonus points on a quiz, so I created a new Quiz, named it "quiz bonus", and set a default grade of 20 points for everybody.

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mcovill
Community Member

Why should any instructor be stuck either: a) exporting, manipulating an excel sheet, and then reimporting or b) opening each quiz manually, scrolling to the bottom, and adding (possibly the same number) of points to every student's quiz.

Why not at least put the fudge points feature at the top of each quiz rather than at the bottom?  

I can't imagine it is difficult to create a feature that would automate adding a fixed number of points to everyone's exam (which is very different from using the built in curve grade feature).

It just seems like time and time again the designers of Canvas don't actually spend time using/testing their product in the way that many instructors will be using it other wise time-sucking designs like this wouldn't make it into the released versions.

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berwin
Community Member

has this been added to feature proposals? kinda ridiculous that six years of convo and we still can't just give all our students a few points in one click