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A global option to enable/disable Missing and Late Status labels in the New Gradebook

A global option to enable/disable Missing and Late Status labels in the New Gradebook

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I would like to see a more global option to enable/disable the display of MISSING/LATE assignment labels to our students in their Gradebook. While I appreciate the effort to address our initial concerns about this feature in the New Gradebook, as it is now this option must be managed student-by-student for EACH assignment. The display of these labels as the default is problematic for those of us who allow students to choose among a number of assignments to complete within an assignment group (e.g. making those ‘not done’ assignments neither ‘late’ nor ‘missing’).  

An Example...An instructor with 4 classes in a 16 week semester, with 50 students in each class, allows students to choose 5/10 assignments to complete in a given assignment group. The instructor cannot know which of these assignments students will choose until all of the assignment deadlines in that assignment group have passed. As such, to prevent students from seeing inaccurate late/missing labels in the New Gradebook for assignments that were not actually required, the instructor must:

1) go to the Gradebook column for each assignment in that assignment group (10 assignments)
2) click on the cell where each student’s grade would appear for that assignment (200 students)
3) change the Grade Detail Tray to ‘No Status’ (= 2000 grade detail tray changes)

If you then consider instructors with larger classes, and/or those who allow assignment choices in more than one assignment group, I think the need for a more global option associated with this feature becomes clear. 

For a more detailed explanation of how the option the removal of these labels is currently managed in the New Gradebook, please see ttps://community.canvaslms.com/docs/DOC-13333-canvas-release-new-gradebook#jive_content_id_Grades_Ma... . 

Additional concerns associated with this issue can be found in my post at https://community.canvaslms.com/ideas/9339-missing-label-placed-incorrectlysubmission-on-paper-and-o... (Feb. 25th, 2018). 

59 Comments
dianner
New Member

This is critical in the age of Covid with Simultaneous Remote students engaging at home in the exact same class as on campus students. An upload link is required for Sim students but if the students bring work to class (as preferred by the teacher) then the automatic LATE AND MISSING tags are applied for those students. This becomes a huge place confusion and discouragement for students, parents, and staff.  It's completely unnecessary if we just had a global DISABLE option!!

 

pleeeeease!

aanthony
Community Participant

My district just starting using Kami integrated with Canvas. The late status has become problematic for our math teachers, who have a due date for the assignment so the students know when they are expected to have done the work, and then they go over the assignment as a class and expect students to make corrections.  In order to edit their work with Kami, the students must unsubmit their assignments to make changes and then re-submit.  This process results in students' assignments being inaccurately marked late.  This is also a problem when teachers sync their grades to PowerSchool.  Canvas is telling the PowerTeacher gradebook to mark those assignments as late for the students, so the teachers have to take extra steps to login to PowerTeacher and take away the late status there.  It would be great to have the control to choose whether you want the late status to be automatic or manual in the gradebook.  

ariana_stafford
New Member
 
MrWilliams
Community Participant

Hi All,

So my request is a feature option to turn off the automatic application of late labels to assignments.  While the intention of auto-labeling is for the efficiency of the teacher, in our K12 setting the auto labeling (and the eventual notifications that students receive) is causing a bit of havoc for many of our teachers -- especially mid-COVID while all deadlines are a little wonky.  

Being able to turn this feature off would give us a little more autonomy over our gradebooks (as well as how they interact with our SIS) and would be super helpful for us!

Thanks for considering!

-- Oops!  I just started my own topic with the very same ask and looks like I got nested under here.  Thanks for raising this up.  This would really be huge, huge, huge!  It is a constant stressor on our campus for both teachers and students.

merily
New Member

There is no feature to automatically mark as "missing" with external tools as well.

 

I am having the issue that I have to go into the Grades tab and manually mark assignments as "missing" for any assignment that uses an external tool. While I understand that not all external tools can show whether or not submissions are missing right away, I think this would be a hugely beneficial feature to be able to enable for at least some of them. For example, my Google Docs Cloud Assignments automatically say "no submission" when a student has not submitted. Why can't I have those be set to "missing" automatically? This would save me hours of time. It's important for me to mark assignments as missing because then it comes up with MISSING in big red letters on a student's grade page, which makes them more likely to know what they should make up and prevents them from shutting down when seeing a low grade. It also enables me to highlight certain missing assignments that have high value, etc. 

 

I also think this "missing" issue could be somewhat solved if there was a command for "missing" to use in the SpeedGrader. In SpeedGrader, I can type in "EX" to have an assignment marked as "excused," but why is there nothing I can type in to have an assignment marked as "missing?"

 

On another front, a similar issue applies to the automatic "late" marking. Once they are automatically marked as "late," I must go into the grades tab and manually change them to "none" if I don't want them marked as late." I like doing this after I grade a late assignment, because then I can easily "sort by late" to see newly submitted assignments.

 

Ending idea - I think it would be beneficial to have some quicker way to mark/unmark assingnments as "missing" or "late" when grading (either Grades tab or SpeedGrader) that does not require me to click on each grade, click the little arrow, and change the selection.

 

Thanks for allowing this forum to exist.

SG1974
New Member

I see that this has still not been adjusted.  I have students who have transferred in from another class, other students who have turned in paper assignments, and some who were just late.  In all cases, the red "Missing assignment" tag is still there.  

JoeBattistelli
Community Participant

Yes please!

KarlOswald
Community Member

I use an external app with embedded html code into Discussion Boards. I don't expect it to link with gradebook but I would very much like the option to delete the 'missing' indicator. It is very confusing to students.

mnickels
Community Member

I would like to see this as well. I use a couple different LTI software's and you grade them assignment outside of Canvas so even the student do submit them before the due date but since they are not graded until after the due date and then transferred into Canvas they all show as late. The only remedy is to individually change the status of each student. which is way too time consuming.

Nancy_Webb_CCSF
Community Champion

Yes global disable of Late and/or Missing labels is really necessary.  And perhaps the ability to disable it per assignment too, for those who do like the labels.  Changing it for every student submission is just too much work, especially in large classes.  @mnickels agree it's necessary for those external assignments that all appear late when they were not.

rtincoff
Community Participant

I would like to disable the missing and late labels. I allow students to resubmit to improve their work and their score. The screaming red LATE is not helpful. I need the assignments to be dated so that they can see the pathway through the class and manage their time. 

I'm tired of Canvas engineers deciding for instructors what is important in our courses.

MatteoTamburini
New Member

I vote up on this proposal.

mpjohnson0616
New Member

How has this problem STILL not been addressed by Canvas? In over 2 years, not one employee has even acknowledged this thread. Unacceptable. 

Canvas: listen to your teachers. We know what we need and we shouldn't have to "vote" or have a certain amount of up-votes to have necessary changes implemented. If you want schools to continue to use your service, you simply must be willing to update and make changes based on the needs of the teachers and students who use said service. Get your house in order. 

cmuir
Community Participant

Like earlier posters have mentioned, I use LTI tools within Canvas.  If I manually grade an assignment in that tool after the due date (when most grading happens), it marks the student assignment as late.  Even with a "heads up" about this Canvas behavior given to students in advance, many still get very stressed about seeing the LATE label—especially if they've taken previous classes in Canvas where that LATE label indicated points were being lost.

Even aside from the LTI and grading issue, automatically marking assignments LATE just doesn't fit with how I structure my courses and communicate with my students.  I want the option to not do this.

I'm going to try the "Removing Missing and Late Labels" canvancement from @James  this term to remove the LATE labels, but it looks like that only works after assignments have already been marked LATE, not as a way to tell Canvas, "Don't ever mark it LATE."  Please, Canvas/Instructure, give us this option!

James
Community Champion

@cmuir 

The external tool I use for grading sends does not behave the way you're describing. My assignments are not marked as late or missing when the student doesn't do them, they just sit there. At least that's the way it was at the beginning of December.

This matches what I remember earlier about external tools were specifically excluded from the late penalty. I think other people wanted them to graded, but there was no easy way for Canvas to tell whether they had been submitted on time or the grade passback just happened after the due date so they were correct in not implementing that for external tools. Maybe I'm confusing missing instead of late --- it's been a while since I've looked at this as the original impetus for the script was to get rid of the missing tags.

I wonder if it's an issue with the external tool rather than Canvas. The lateness isn't determined by the date it was graded. The graded date is a separate thing. However, it may be that the LTI you're using is not sending the original submission date but the current date and time and that's something that could be looked at by the LTI provider. Still, I thought (but haven't checked recently) that external tools were specifically excluded from the process.

What LTI are you using that's doing this? Some plagiarism (originality reports) software interacts at a deeper level with Canvas than some other things. Since I don't use any of those, I don't know what extra twists they may add.

cmuir
Community Participant

@James 

This behavior only started with the change to (I believe) LTI 1.3.  Canvas used to be able to tell the difference between student activity on an assignment after the deadline and instructor activity on an assignment after the deadline, but now treats them both as late activity and flags the assignment as late.  Assignments from the external tool never get flagged as missing, so that part isn't an issue for me.

 

 

LindseySharp
Community Member

I am an administrator for a subaccount for my campus's Canvas instance.

The "late" flag disturbs the peace of students in some courses which utilize due dates to keep folks on task but do not penalize for late work. It would be ideal to be able to disable this flag for a course. Not using due dates at all is not an ideal solution.

ScottPrescott
New Member

We would like the ability to globally turn of the "Late" label that is assigned to assignments that are turned in after the due date. We know you can do it manually for each assignment when grading or in the grade book, but as we don't want it showing for anyone in our school we would like a global solution. The "Missing" label is helpful but the "Late" is not. I have read int he community that this is a feature many would appreciate. Thanks for considering.

Advocate
New Member

The argument that printing a big red LATE tag for work that came in after the due date somehow helps students is the smelliest form of hot garbage. Students that are chronically late are like that for many reasons, none of which you can fix with a red pen. You penalize them psychologically with markings they will have to look at for the entirety of a term. Let this be an option the instructor controls on a per-class basis. If the teacher wants to be a punitive hardass, let them. It's not the job of Canvas as an educational platform to discipline its students, but if you want to make that an optional feature, have at it.

Students with disabilities especially don't need a reminder that they are not as fast as their peers. It is psychological warfare against students who work differently in the name of "helping" procrastinators. That kind of logic reminds me of a parent who would take the belt to their kid excessively for falling short of expectations while telling them "this hurts me more than it hurts you."

Get rid of it or turn it off by default. Lateness is already noted on the submission page. If you really want to encourage timeliness, try rewarding on-time submissions with a big green ON TIME in addition to or instead of penalizing people with a big red LATE that will haunt them for the entire duration of the course. That way you still get to break their spirit a little, but you at least make it worth looking at the gradebook. Or how about splitting the difference and just using SUBMITTED or SUBMITTED. That way you still get the pleasure of making students feel bad about themselves, but you at least make them feel good when they do well.