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A global option to enable/disable Missing and Late Status labels in the New Gradebook

A global option to enable/disable Missing and Late Status labels in the New Gradebook

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I would like to see a more global option to enable/disable the display of MISSING/LATE assignment labels to our students in their Gradebook. While I appreciate the effort to address our initial concerns about this feature in the New Gradebook, as it is now this option must be managed student-by-student for EACH assignment. The display of these labels as the default is problematic for those of us who allow students to choose among a number of assignments to complete within an assignment group (e.g. making those ‘not done’ assignments neither ‘late’ nor ‘missing’).  

An Example...An instructor with 4 classes in a 16 week semester, with 50 students in each class, allows students to choose 5/10 assignments to complete in a given assignment group. The instructor cannot know which of these assignments students will choose until all of the assignment deadlines in that assignment group have passed. As such, to prevent students from seeing inaccurate late/missing labels in the New Gradebook for assignments that were not actually required, the instructor must:

1) go to the Gradebook column for each assignment in that assignment group (10 assignments)
2) click on the cell where each student’s grade would appear for that assignment (200 students)
3) change the Grade Detail Tray to ‘No Status’ (= 2000 grade detail tray changes)

If you then consider instructors with larger classes, and/or those who allow assignment choices in more than one assignment group, I think the need for a more global option associated with this feature becomes clear. 

For a more detailed explanation of how the option the removal of these labels is currently managed in the New Gradebook, please see ttps://community.canvaslms.com/docs/DOC-13333-canvas-release-new-gradebook#jive_content_id_Grades_Ma... . 

Additional concerns associated with this issue can be found in my post at https://community.canvaslms.com/ideas/9339-missing-label-placed-incorrectlysubmission-on-paper-and-o... (Feb. 25th, 2018). 

56 Comments
laurakgibbs
Community Champion

I voted up.

This is an imperative for me.

I cannot even think about switching to the new Gradebook unless I have control over communication with my students.

And at over 200 Gradebook quizzes per class (I use a micro-assignments, low-stakes approach to grading), I absolutely will not adjust those items one by one to get rid of the unwelcome and inaccurate missing/late labels.

Maybe  @James ‌ will come to the rescue with a spreadsheet where it would not be difficult to do such an item-by-item update.

But if this means click-click-click-click to update every time, nope, I am not switching to the new Gradebook.

It is wrong IMO for Instructure to impose any kind of verbal communication re: grades. The nothing-but-numbers approach to grading is bad enough, and then this (badly) automated labeling just makes it worse.

Communication about grades is fraught with stress for our students, and some of us are committed to reducing that stress in any way we can. The vocabulary of "missing" and "late" are completely inappropriate for my situation, and the red ink just makes it worse, as I explained in ad nauseam detail when these red-ink labels were incorrectly applied to my (old) Gradebook last semester (causing lots of student stress as a result; that's how I found out about it to begin with: my students were really worried and upset, and they wrote to ask me why I had misled them about how the grading worked...).

Thank you so much for writing up this feature request,  @kimberly_smith1 ! I am disappointed that we are going to have to fight this fight all over again, but I will do so if that is what it takes.

#NoRedInk

don

(Gadsden flag meme)

mary_bolton
Community Member

I spent a lot of time communicating with Canvas about the missing/late label not being an effective tool for use in the way that I teach.  I was very glad that they changed it.

I agree with everything you stated above.

I will not want to use the new gradebook unless I can disable the missing/late status globally.

stale_heggset
Community Participant

Totally agree! As a teacher i a K-class, some pupils find it very demotivating to for ever have this "late" stamp in their gradebook. Make it an option! Or at least, make the late-stamp go away as soon at the pupil has done his work.   

laurakgibbs
Community Champion

AGREED  @stale_heggset ‌!

It's demotivating for students of all ages I think (I teach college seniors).

cholling
Community Champion

***on soapbox ***

I'm going to post an entirely personal opposing opinion. I find that we are teaching students a lot of things in schools that they will find "don't fly" on the job. They should find it demoralizing to find a "late" tag - they should have submitted their work on time. If they have a reason for it and have received permission to submit late, then they know it's OK, but the fact remains, it was still late. They're going to find life demoralizing if they continue to submit projects on the job late because they're going to be looking for a new job.

***off soapbox***

kmeeusen
Community Coach
Community Coach

Thank you, cholling‌!

I totally agree! I do not see a sound pedagogical reason for this, and many reasons for making even K students aware of the value of timeliness, diligence, and keeping on task. I find this practice a false-motivator, and one that does not engage students in the learning process.

Kelley

laurakgibbs
Community Champion

I use the option to have two deadlines as a soft deadline and hard deadline. If students meet the hard deadline, I do not care if they did not meet the soft deadline. Using the hard deadline does not mean the assignment is late. That's why I deeply resent having the late label put on assignments that ARE NOT LATE.

Here's more about how much I like having a soft deadline and a hard deadline in Canvas, which I describe as a "grace period"

Use the Canvas “Grace Period” 

So, I hear you  @kmeeusen ‌ and cholling‌: if the red-ink late label is something useful to you, you should be able to have it.

But because it is totally inappropriate for my classes, I have to be able to turn it off. I am GLAD when students turn something in during the grace period in order to meet the hard deadline. I want to reward them, not shame them.

stale_heggset
Community Participant

Thank you, Laura!

I totally agree.

If a school is a fan of the option with red late signs, and their pedagogic mind like this, they should use it!

But if my pedagogic mind find this inappropriate for my class, why shouldn't I decide for my self? Give us the option to turn it on or off.

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Den 5. mar. 2018 kl. 17.38 skrev laurakgibbs <instructure@jiveon.com<mailto:instructure@jiveon.com>>:

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A global option to enable/disable Missing and Late Status labels in the New Gradebook

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rlbrown21
Community Participant

I am up voting this, even though this is something I do not see as an issue in my class.  Why?  Because choice is a good thing.  Not everybody ONLY accepts submissions through canvas, and in that case, the "late" marker is incorrect, since it is base on a Canvas submission, not a assignment handed to you physically.  

Maybe a different solution would be a option in the Assignment (not the gradebook) that would "ignore late/missing tags"

kimberly_smith1
Community Participant

Hello cholling and  @kmeeusen  ,

With your mention of down votes, I think it may be important to clarify. The issue here is not necessarily that late assignments not be penalized in some way, but rather a problem of assignments being marked as 'late' or 'missing' when they are neither. Personally, I do not accept late work - so the penalty is the loss of an opportunity for any points on the assignment. However, the display of these labels as the default is problematic for those of us who allow students to choose among a number of assignments to complete within an assignment group (e.g. making those ‘not done’ assignments neither ‘late’ nor ‘missing’). Hence the need for the option to just turn them off without having to spend hours doing so (e.g. one at a time, student-by-student, assignment-by-assignment). 

laurakgibbs
Community Champion

Exactly! The reason "missing" is absolutely inappropriate for me is that I give students a huge range of options to choose from; they choose to turn some in, other they do not choose to turn in.

And about "late" ... I use the two deadlines in Canvas as a soft deadline, and a hard deadline. Something turned in after the soft deadline and before the hard deadline is NOT late. It is before the deadline, and that means it is on time based on how I set things up.

stale_heggset
Community Participant

Spot on, Kimberly Smith! We need this feature now!

annette_peters
Community Member

I voted up because I like to know if the student was absent or did not turn in there work. If I can mark it missing I know they were absent that day. I then am able to know they can make the work up. If I put it is late, I know that they had the chance to do the work but they decided not to do their work.

lewisale
Community Champion

I asked a question about this in the Q & A: Disable Canvas late submission? hoping there was a way I could disable the late submission feature.  Someone shared this feature idea, and I hope there are enough votes for Canvas to add this feature!

I would appreciate this feature as I use grace periods for some assignments.  I like to add the due date in Canvas, so this date shows up for students. However, Canvas automatically flags submissions after the due date as late.  Since Canvas flags an assignment as late (including pink in the grace center) when a student uses the grace period, I believe this does not provide accurate analytics.  

I hope in the future Canvas gives Instructors the ability to control whether or not they wish to flag assignments as "late" for submissions.

Jeff_F
Community Champion

Being early I misread this thinking that it was about wanting a feature option setting for the late policies.   Instead I see that it is about disabling visibility of the late work text tag at the assignment level.

Another related, yet different idea:   https://community.canvaslms.com/ideas/11380-turn-off-late-policies-at-the-account-level 

d_jeffries
Community Member

I have students who hand me their work. Why should they get a late or missing mark when it is not either of these things?

Jeff_F
Community Champion

Given that scenario I would opt to not enable the two late policies.

marisa_willman
Community Member

This is a huge issue for me, as I often give my students the option to turn something in on paper OR through a Canvas submission. Those who do the file submission are fine. Those who turn it in on paper automatically have the box turn red for 'missing' in the gradebook. Even when I manually enter their grade, the red 'missing' designation does not go away. IT IS NOT MISSING! I have to manually click through and change every one individually. It takes forever and is not how I'd like to use my time.

Canvas, PLEASE allow instructors the option to turn this automatic 'missing' off. We're two weeks into the school year and it's already causing distress and confusion for my students. 

laurakgibbs
Community Champion

This is why I have not switched to the new Gradebook. My students choose what assignments to complete, and what assignments not to complete. Canvas has no way of handling the simple idea of student CHOICE. When students choose not to do an assignment, it's not missing, and of course it would be distressing if students saw that label, either for an assignment they were not required to do -- and even worse for an assignment they turned in on paper. 

I dread having to switch to the new Gradebook if they don't get this problem fixed before we are forced to switch.

My students were really upset when the missing/late labels were being applied automatically in the old Gradebook; because of complaints from the Community, Canvas stopped the use of those labels in the old Gradebook. It is really disheartening to hear that they did not learn from that lesson and are still causing distress and confusion for students with the (wrong) use of these labels in the new Gradebook.

audra_agnelly
Community Champion

We're K12 and are getting some pushback from our teachers on this. They want to be able to offer students multiple ways of submitting their work -- some will submit on paper while others may upload a file. Removing the label from the 75% or your roster who submitted paper copies increases the time teachers spend updating their gradebooks, and since there's going to be a delay between the time an assignment is marked missing and when the teacher updates their gradebook, students and parents are seeing misleading information about their grades. Teachers are fielding emails from parents asking why the work is marked missing when the child says they turned it in, and then there are kids who may get in trouble at home because the parent sees a false missing label. Canvas is an important school-to-home communication tool but the inflexibility of how these tags are applied is creating a lot of confusion and miscommunication.