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Allow Number of Discussion Posts Set for Module Requirement to be Complete

Allow Number of Discussion Posts Set for Module Requirement to be Complete

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Similar to the Module Setting for Quiz objects of "Score at least..." x points before that requirement is met, please add "Submit at least x [number of] forum posts" for Discussion objects. In my courses, I often have a required "initial" post and two or three "reply" posts due for discussions. Unfortunately, if "contribute to the page" is used for discussions, a single post credits that requirement as being fully completed. The student sees a Green check mark by that module item in their view, and they sometimes forgets to go back and submit their required replies. Once the discussion is graded and the student has lost points for missing replies, they sometimes tell me that they completely spaced out going back for those because they saw the green check and weren't alerted that they weren't done. Thanks for your consideration on this!

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jordan
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canvas_admin
Community Champion

Every one of our online courses has 8 discussion forums, of which 7 require more than 1 post.  This would be a great feature to have.  Since there's no intuitive way for students to check their number of posts, I frequently get asked by students if they have done the correct number of posts.  This feature would go a long way to helping with that issue as well.  I'm voting up on this one!

tom_gibbons
Community Contributor

Really, really needed. Right now, I have to create a discussion and an additional Calendar entry or another assignment to remind students to revisit the discussion boards.

I mean, it works, but it would be nice to be able to set this up not just at the module level, but within discussions, e.g., how many postings equals complete?

kbirnley
Community Member

I love this idea, and I think it would be even better if we could set multiple due dates for the posts within the same discussion. Like Tom, mentioned, it can take several extra steps to ensure that students don't miss deadlines for follow-up response posts.

iys2
Community Participant

Many of our courses use discussion forums and most of them have an initial post and then the discussion follows with 1-3 responses. This is a way for the instructor and peers to interact with each other and build a learning community. As new adopters of Canvas, part of our philosophy is to "not hack the system"....However, as Tom mentioned earlier, we are also creating the discussion forum, in addition to another assignment, so it displays on the calendar to remind students that this is a two-step process.

The other issue is that grading can be an issue with this as well, as some instructors will have one final grade for the discussion forum, but a portion of that goes to the initial post (first activity of the assignment) and then another portion goes to the response(s) (second activity of the assignment). When adding the dummy assignment to the calendar to reflect the two-part process, we are adding this as an ungraded assignment, so that an instructor does not need to grade all students twice for one completed assignment. However in doing it this way, when a student clicks on the assignment, they see that Points are worth "None" and Submitting states "Nothing", making this very confusing for students and takes away from instructional time as instructors need to answer questions.

So, at this time, until an enhancement is made, we are essentially hacking the system.

melissawetherby
Community Participant

I have been searching through the help documents for a while now trying to figure out how to set a due date for initial posting and a due date for replies. It is frustrating not to be able to do this since this is such an important communication point in the online classroom. I've seen some great work-arounds but they are just that a work-around and I wanted a more user-friendly option. I was excited that you were able to set real due dates on discussions and they went to the calendar, in our old LMS I had to manually add them all to the calendar, but not being able to have the reply due date visible and having the forum marked complete without a reply is very clunky! I really hope this feature is added soon!

raynev
Community Participant

We use this same strategy of a calendar entry linking back to the discussion post to remind students of the follow up requirement, but I agree that it would be useful if there was something indicating the requirement in the Modules view, since this is where we direct students for all course content and requirements. I also agree that a deadline, as  @kbirnley ​ mentioned below, would add to this feature! That would eliminate the need for that calendar entry workaround entirely.

raynev
Community Participant

Louise, these are probably considered more "hacks," but right now what I typically do is have separate rubric criteria for the follow up reply, so that the students visually see the requirement when reviewing the discussion rubric, and the instructor has a way to easily deduct points if the student doesn't complete the follow up reply requirement without the need for a separate assignment in the gradebook. Let me know if it would help to see an example.

As far as the reminder for follow up responses, as mentioned above, right now I just create a calendar entry that links back to the discussion using the text editor, rather than a separate assignment entirely. This shows up in both the calendar and the Syllabus tools. When the student opens it, it displays the text I include, with a link back to the relevant discussion post. Not sure if this helps at all, but I thought of it after reading your post.

iys2
Community Participant

Hi Rayne,

Thank you for your feedback on this. Sure, if you wouldn't mind sharing an example that would be great. Am always willing to see how others are working through a process.

We went back and forth about adding this as a calendar event or creating a separate assignment and finally decided that since this was really an assignment and not an event, we decided to create it as a separate assignment.

peter_concannon
Community Participant

I don't know if Canvas offers this related feature (haven't been able to find it...), but Angel used to allow me to add a grading rule so that students who completed a discussion post could receive automatic credit. It seems that in Canvas, I have to intervene, rather than allowing the system to take over this task. I have many other grading tasks, including extensive paper comments, and since I grade complete/incomplete on discussions, I'd like the system to take care of that routine item.

raynev
Community Participant

Hi Louise - sorry for the delay! I am attaching a couple of screen grabs here to illustrate what I typically do.

The first is of the discussion rubric I mentioned. This is a simple rubric with only two criteria, but you can see that there is a space to deduct points if the student doesn't complete the follow up response - just simply choose the "did not complete" option when using the rubric in Speedgrader to deduct points for this requirement. I also instruct students how to access discussion rubrics early on in the start here section so they see these requirements and use them when completing their discussion assignment, because accessing the discussion rubric is not as intuitive as including a rubric with a Canvas Assignment - you have to click "show rubric" to view it.

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The second screen grab is of the calendar reminder method I mentioned. I just click on the date in the calendar that the replies are due by, then choose "More options" when the window appears. That opens an expanded text editor, that allows you to use the Canvas Content Selector. I typically include a reminder like this:

Title: Reminder: Week 2 Discussion Follow-up Responses Due!

Description: Please remember to revisit the Week 2 Discussion and complete your follow up responses by midnight tonight.

I then just use the Canvas Content Selector to link the "Week 2 Discussion" text to the actual discussion, to make it super obvious and simple for the students to navigate back to that discussion assignment. See here:

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This is useful because, as I mentioned, it shows up in both their calendar and their Syllabus list!

Hope this helps!

raynev
Community Participant

 @peter_concannon ​ -

Interesting idea, and you are correct that Canvas does not currently offer it, as discussed in these two threads:

 @kona ​ provided some helpful workarounds in that second thread though, so take a look there to see if any of those may fit your particular use case. As she mentioned there, a quick fix is to just use Speedgrader! You can quickly scan Speedgrader to see who has completed the requirement - you get an orange dot/visual indicator in the student drop down menu, and when you click on each student's name, their discussion contributions show up. This does at least save a little time when grading.

Hope that helps!

peter_concannon
Community Participant

Thank you. Better than that workaround, though, is to go to gradebook and mark as incomplete any student who doesn't show up as submitting. Then use the dropdown at the top of the gradebook column to set default grade, being sure not to change grade of any student who has been graded already.

I was using the speedgrader method previously, and I was trying to speed that up (rather than going one by one through 75 submissions). The best I have figured out is the one I described above; it is almost as good as setting a rule for submission, though Angel was better on this score.

Peter Concannon

Professor of English

Santa Fe College, Gainesville, FL

(352) 395-5117

nealc62
Community Participant

Peter

This sounds like a real time saver. Thanks for posting this tip!

biray
Community Champion

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PSU_Tony
Community Contributor

This would be a great addition. Many faculty have mentioned this type of flexibility needed in discussions.

ejp10
Community Participant

See also the similar idea of giving automatic scores based on the number of posts made.

https://community.canvaslms.com/ideas/8364-automatic-scoring-of-discussions-based-off-of-number-of-o... 

mdevaney
Community Participant

@Kathy Chatfield. Great request! An excellent feature to assist in ensuring continuing conversations. 

STUARTA
Community Member

SPARROWR‌ - this might be perfect for solving multiple posts issues in the education courses!