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Deduct X% or X points per day for each day an assignment submission is late

Deduct X% or X points per day for each day an assignment submission is late

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  Idea will be open for vote May 5th, 2015 - August 5th, 2015  Learn more about voting...

 

As an instructor, I want to specify that late submissions to a given assignment have X% or X points deducted from their possible score for each day the submission is late. This setting would be configurable at the course, assignment group, and individual assignment level. I should have the option to manually override late penalties for a given student.

 

transferred from the old Community

Originally posted by: Neal Legler

Special thanks for contributions from: Mike Griffiths, C. David Frankel, Annaleah Morrow, Desiree Shultz

 

    

Comments from Instructure

For more information, please read through the https://community.canvaslms.com/docs/DOC-13886 .

54 Comments
kona
Community Coach
Community Coach

Yes! This is a much desired feature that would be a huge time-saver for our faculty!

awilliams
Community Champion

Yep, can't wait to cast my vote for this one.

pjudy
Community Member

Yes.  This would be quite helpful!

Stefanie
Community Team
Community Team

How cool would this be?!? Right now I have to track this on a scrap of paper. Smiley Sad

ejackson
Community Champion

Our instructors definitely want this!!!

amixon
Community Member

Oh my!  Yes - currently I have to manually do this - or, give them no credit at all.   It would be great to allow students to complete assignments late at a penalty.

ehills
Community Participant

This is a bad educational practice. If your assignments are to show mastery of knowledge, why does one day late change their level of knowledge or mastery compared to two days late? Preparing them for the real world, you say? In the real world, you ask for an extension if you can't accomplish the task you were given in the allotted time.

amixon
Community Member

Eric


I respectfully disagree.  In many classes that I know of we post answer keys.  When we allow students to email us and say, I can't make this deadline, it impacts the entire class.

You cannot always be granted an extension.  I am completing a wellness survey, I have to earn 2000 health points by the 14th or I don't get my 125.00 incentive.  If I don't make the amount, do you think that I can contact my insurance company and ask for an extension?  No.

What if your company has a huge presentation with outside parties - you are hosting it.  Can you contact your boss and say - shoot,  I didn't get my presentation completed by the event - can I have an extension?  No.

Mastery isn't just about content - it's about personal responsibility, meeting deadlines, following a calendar.


You don't get extensions in life, it's simply not practical, and it's not fair to give the same grade to a student who met all of the goals and deadlines as one who did not.


If you are concerned about the one time scenarios, Canvas has in place the ability to drop X scores from an assignment group. That takes care, easily, with students who had something terrible and legitimate come up.  But I cannot, and will not delay the educational progress to on time students for those who are chronic offenders, no matter how much content they know.  I have your future doctors, veterinarians, and engineers in my class.  Something tells me that holding them to deadlines is something all would appreciate.

Stefanie
Community Team
Community Team

 @amixon ​ and  @ehills ​, the way I see it, the pedagogy-neutral approach would be to have this feature available in the LMS so that instructors could decide for themselves what constitutes good educational practice.

jbuchner
Community Contributor

Why wouldn't you want an ?

For your idea, how would you want this look when implemented? Does a -5% appear in the grade book? Does a 95% Appear in the grade book? a negative score? or the max possible score with the deduction? (e.g. 95/100). I would think asking for X numbers of points be deducted would be easier to do, clearer to the students rather than %.

amixon
Community Member

Hi John

Sapling Learning does this with their online homework system and it doesn't seem to cause confusion for the students.  You can set it to only deduct %.  So I have my Sapling set to deduct 5% per day for one week.  And the cool thing there is that it only deducts for problems they haven't completed.  So if a student does 15/20 problems and earns all credit.  And then does the remaining 5 1 day late, they are only penalized on the 5 late problems.  If Canvas could use that as a model that would be great - I don't think they can as their current set up since we can't see progress as a student goes through the quiz, only when they submit - however perhaps that too could be changed.


I would like to see the grade highlighted in red - as it is now, when something late is submitted - that way if a student emails us and says "why is my grade so low" we can easily see it's red and say, well, because you completed it late.

% is easier to deal with simply because it would then be normalized - meaning, it wouldn't matter if your assignment was 2 pts or 200 pts.  5% would be 5%. Obviously 1 pt off a 2 pt assignment is 50%, but 1 pt off a 200 pt assignment is nothing overall.  So I would actually prefer % deduction instead.  But either option would be an improvement!

April

mworden
Community Participant

Eric, I understand where you're coming from. While I wouldn't want to do this on every assignment, it is nice to have for those assignments that do have a specific reason for a deadline.

jbuchner
Community Contributor

I'd agree with Stefanie: having the feature be able to be switched on/off would be the best way to run it (on/off at the class or assignment level though?) and more over, if you have a reason to ignore the late penalty for extenuating circumstances for the student, I'd hope you could just enter the score manually, like every other assignment.

Stefanie
Community Team
Community Team

Deactivated user​, comments like yours make me so glad that we have a community commenting on these feature ideas! Until you brought it up, it never occurred to me that the proposed feature, if left unfettered, might allow a student's grade to dip into negative territory.

I concur! I'd also like to see an adjustable box with a maximum penalty, or a maximum number of days--since, for example, on certain of my assignments I allow students to submit up to five days late with a penalty of 10% for each late day, after which time the submission will not be accepted and the grade for the assignment will be 0. Right now I do that manually. Having a feature that allows me to set maximum penalty/maximum days late would be very helpful.

tom_gibbons
Community Contributor

​I set my grading policy up this way, too.

What about something that would happen behind the scenes:

if no submission, then no penalty

if late submission, then calculate penalty based on submission date once grade is entered. Include boilerplate explanatory text.

if grade is 0, then no penalty

Deal with maximum days late by using the "available until" dates that are already baked in.

cwruck
Community Champion

I love this feature request. We are working on some gradebook enhancements this fall that will lay the foundation to accommodate setting up late rules. I would love it if you and everyone you know would join this group Grading Late Rules to help us fully scope the potential for this feature. That’s the good news. The less good news is, we won’t actually get to implementing this feature in the next 6 months… which by our community rules means we have to archive the idea. But please don’t think that that means we’re not going to do this. This feature is literally on the top of my list of things to tackle as soon as we’ve finished our first round gradebook enhancements… which as I mentioned, lays the foundation for setting these rules up in the gradebook settings. I can’t wait to learn more about all your policies.

vrs07nl
Community Contributor

not sure how related this post is related    but see my comments re rubrics we require that i suspect are needed also for this feature

caryn
Community Participant

An additional use case would be graded quizzes. Instructors would like to set a deadline, then a penalty for each day/hour that the submission is late (i.e. deduct 10% for every 24 hours late); the score would then be flagged within the gradebook as late, and automatically reduced. This is a high priority for the UC Irvine community.

beverly_jenkins
Community Member

I would like to be able to deduct a flat percent for all late work, regardless of how late it is.

jaskegreen
Community Participant

I'm a bit disappointed with you Instructure. This is a basic necessity when it comes to grading and you're going about it like it's buried in red tape. This requests goes way back; get ur dun!