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Multiple Due Dates (checkpoints) for Discussions

Multiple Due Dates (checkpoints) for Discussions

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With the way that many schools set up forum discussions and require "check-ins" to the forum throughout the week, it would be great if we could include multiple due dates in the discussion activities. For instance, I have classes that require everyone respond to the prompt by Thursday night and respond to at least 2 peers by the following Sunday. Being able to remind students that they have responses due, especially if we could scatter responses over multiple days, would likely increase participation.

 

<Sorry if this is a repeated idea. I couldn't find it elsewhere and I'm a newbie>

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lindsapj
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Excellent suggestions

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Steven_S
Community Champion

You could try weighting your assignments by groups, and including a reminder group weighted at zero percent.  (Even just one big 100% group, and one 0% group would work.)  Then put all reminders in the 0% group, and assign each reminder as a graded assignment worth the number of points actually associated with replies.  Those reminder assignments will show up in all lists, and students cannot claim they skipped because it was worth zero points. 

The reminders will also clutter your grade-book this way and require explanations if you leave the reminders ungraded, but they would show up in all to-do lists at the appropriate point value.  If you do grade the reminders (maybe complete/incomplete) the points will not add into the final grade because their group only counts as zero percent.

bdalton_sales
Instructure
Instructure

Steven

There is an option in the assignment settings "do not count towards final grade". This would mitigate the need for an assignment group, not sure if they still appear in the grade book.

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James
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Those assignments that you don't count towards the final grade still appear in the gradebook. Marking the assignment as non-graded makes it not appear in the gradebook, but then you don't get to assign points. I'm not saying that in a "this won't work" way, I'm just trying to answer the question.

steven,

A year ago, I would have given serious consideration to your idea and it still may work for some people, so thank you for sharing.

Now, I've finally got a system that I'm finally mostly happy with and didn't tweak this semester to find a better way. I make the Due date when the initial post is due. I create a non-graded assignment for when the follow-up is due by and the discussion closes to the students. The initial post will cause the first assignment to drop off the To Do list and the non-graded follow-up must be manually marked as completed for it to disappear before the discussion is over. The grading rubric now has a separate item for initial discussion and one for follow-up post so students are reminded that there's two parts to this.

I'm just using a single follow-up assignment now, but I had tried a series of calendar events every couple of days in the past. Whenever I've tried to game the system and make the due date early so that students can be successful, a contingent of them consistently looked past all the visible notices and messages and other things that Canvas tried to give them and found the absolutely last moment they could turn it in (the available until date) and that's what they went off.

The reason I'm mostly happy now is that I'm not coddling the students and trying ways to force them to be successful for a group who want to do the least amount possible. It's not a case of they don't know about it. They know about it. It's mentioned several times in class (almost every class period), it's in their To Do list, they go out of their way to find the last date possible to submit anything rather than paying attention to the due date.

The discussion is composed of two parts -- an initial discussion and a follow-up period. The follow-up period is not a deadline or something to be checked off as completed, it's a period of on-going engagement by the student. If they don't do the discussion the way I've asked them to do and they wait until the very end or do a post-once reply twice like other instructors want, they don't get a very good grade on the assignment.

The discussions end up being higher quality because those who want to participate do and those who don't want to participate end up doing the minimum or waiting until the last minute to post so no one reads it. Either way, it keeps the noise down and lets the discussion blossom around those who care about the discussion topic or their grade.

bdalton_sales
Instructure
Instructure

James,  good points, I hadn't considered that part of the objective in the OP.

lmann
Community Member

YES, This is a great idea on how to manage the dual due date for grading! Thank you Susan.

benita_blessing
Community Member

I would definitely envision having different grades for the original post and the comments - much like a rubric, as you suggest. In my case, I teach German classes. So a 10-point post is 4 points for the original post and 3 each per the 2 responses. 

jaskegreen
Community Participant

Why contain this to just the forums? This is something that would be useful for projects. The ability to set benchmarks would be super cool without having to make separate assignments.

noamebner
Community Member

Actually, I'd would not want to have the 'main post' box shut down in the middle of the week, after initial or primary posts are due. I often use top-level posts to kick off thematic discussions mid-week, after everyone has pitched in. Additionally, I invite students to do so - for example, posting a top level post (in addition to their own original primary post) that summarizes/contrasts approaches raised by 3-4 students in the class, and asking the class a follow on-question. This is best done as a top-level post.

My two cents!

hensonj
Community Participant

Agreed. While the original scope focused on discussions, I believe this would be useful for many assignments.

anthonem
Community Contributor

Exactly what I was thinking when I proposed https://community.canvaslms.com/ideas/1263-student-journal-or-blog-feature" modifiedtitle="true" tit.... Nowadays I don't think we really need a new tool in Canvas...multiple checkpoints on one assignment/discussion would accomplish a blog/journal feedback workflow throughout the term really well.

creativityengag
Community Member

Students often misunderstand what Canvas is telling them about discussions. When I set up assignments to have the first post be the post date (because of limitations of the current system) they think they are being given 24 hours to complete an assignment, when that isn't that case. We really, really need these multiple due dates, including a system for reminders that can go out during the course of an open discussion.

bogardde
Community Participant

Kelley, just to poke the bear a bit (because we both like to do this, lol):

First of all, I can only speak for those of us who live in the K12 world, although I would like to think that this would apply to the blended classroom at higher ed as well.

I would argue that improving the teacher's workflow also contains the potential to vastly improve student learning. By improving teachers' Canvas tools in ways that allows them to gain back some precious class time, this newly freed-up time can be used for what we know gives our students the biggest bang for our teaching-and-learning buck: 1:1 and small group conversations, lessons and projects.

Thus, I would propose a variation to your list:

  1. Teaching & Learning workflow
  2. Admin workflow
  3. Nifty fun stuff

I will now put away my bear-poking stick 🙂

KChatfield
Community Member

Along with the checkpoint due dates (awesome idea), it would also be terrific if we could control Module Requirements for a minimum number of posts per person before the green checkmark displays. Now, if the requirement for a discussion is to "submit" or "contribute to," the green checkmark shows up after a single post. If a post plus replies are required, that green checkmark sometimes convinces a student that they are done (if they are using the checkmarks for the check-off list of things to do). In the same way that a quiz can be prevented from getting a green checkmark until a certain score is achieved, it would be AMAZING if discussions could have a minimum count of posts by students. THANKS!!

jennifer_paris
Community Member

Yes! My students are struggling this semester because the To Do list doesn’t match what they need to do (not having accurate representation of multiple due dates and it being marked as completed with just their post).

abigailb_dietly
Community Member

Thank you for this idea! So simple, but would be really helpful. As a student who has taken many classes where discussions have 2 due dates, I always had to go outside of Canvas to set multiple reminders for myself to go back and respond in a discussion. This was okay for me because I am very organized, but many students are not going to remember this along with all of their other assignments and due dates.

stephenallen
Community Member

I agree that this would be a valuable tool not only to potentially increase participation, but to give me, as the instructor, a tool for more easily monitoring student engagement. Bravo Chris for bringing this to the forefront.

soucy
Community Member

This is just what we have been looking for.  We have discussions which open on Monday at 12:01 AM and require students to make an initial post by Wednesday, another post by Saturday and a final reply to another student by Wednesday.  Having multiple due dates will make these graded assignments easier to grade.  MDS

tamychapman
Community Contributor

You can put the Thursday date in the calendar manually. I do that, but I too would like Canvas to allow multiple due dates for discussions.Thanks for suggesting it.

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