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New Quizzes: Practice quizzes

New Quizzes: Practice quizzes

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I  am updating my course for the upcoming academic year and I have stumbled upon a major roadblock regarding quizzes. 

With the Classic Quizzes set to disappear next summer, it doesn't seem worth my while to rely on them, but the New Quizzes are lacking a key feature: PRACTICE QUIZZES. 

The lack of practice quizzes is a major issue for me and other colleagues because, as language teachers, we rely massively on quizzes (especially this year that we are set to be doing a lot of our teaching online). I know that it is possible to set the New Quizzes so that they are worth 0 points and do not count towards the grades, but the fact that they HAVE to be set as an assignment creates a huge problem: without practice quizzes, every single quiz will appear in the syllabus and I would have at least 6 quizzes per week in a 24 week course! This will get very messy, very fast.

I know I can just hide the course summary in the syllabus, but that still would leave us with the problem of students having tens of confusing "assignments" on their calendar (I believe they still would appear under "undated"). Also, I just discovered that hidding the course summary hides the mini calendar and assignment weighting information on the right side of the page too, which renders the syllabus pretty much useless!

Being able to just have the quizzes as practice and add them to the modules where necessary without them being categorised as assignments is the ideal, as it is the case with Classic Quizzes. They may not be as fancy, but they are much more user friendly. 

I cannot understand why the choice was made to remove this essential option - a newer engine should offer the same features as the prior one plus additional ones, not less! I really hope this is something that will be implemented soon. 

Estefanía

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Stefanie
Community Team
Community Team
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Estefania
Community Member

I just realised this also affects the grades page quite badly. So even if I give up on the Syllabus features by hidding the course summary and calendar, the students will still have to scroll through the tens of non-graded quizzes in order to be able to see their exam grades! 

Steven_S
Community Champion

While it is possible to adjust settings so that a New Quiz is not counted in grades, this retains other problems that a true practice quiz would solve:

  1. The not-counted-but-graded quizzes clutter the student grades view distracting from the actual grades in the course.
  2. The late penalty is applied to not-counted-but-graded quizzes, and even when keep the highest grade is selected, the most recent of duplicate starting scores is retained with the late penalty added.  This sends the wrong message to students about the retake value of practice quizzes, and is contrary to "keep the highest score" in general.
  3. Modules use the score after the late penalty is applied to not-counted-but-graded new quizzes to establish whether module requirements to "score at least" are met.  This means a module requirement requiring students to achieve a score of 70% correct on a not-counted-but-graded new quiz, in a course with a 10% per day late penalty, becomes impossible to meet once it is more than 3 days late.  The linear nature of module requirements means that a not-counted-but-graded new quiz could completely block a student's progress. 

Practice quizzes are not impacted by the late penalty at all and do not show up in the grade book.  Either the practice quiz function needs to expand to new quizzes or the old quiz engine needs to be retained for practice quizzes.

 

Estefania
Community Member

Exactly - thank you, @Steven_S ! The elimination of practice quizzes affects a lot of aspects in Canvas and has a big impact on how you can and cannot set up a course. It is very limiting and has a lot of negative consequences that I don't think were thought through.

mathieu
Community Participant

Thanks for bringing this up, @Stefanie .  There is an obvious dearth in the New Quizzes feature set compared to old quizzes or quizzes in any other LMS for that matter.  It is inexplicable to me why Instructure continues prioritise minor features (such as history in the latest release) over much more impactful changes such as this one.  Let's hope for someone is reading these threads.

All the best

andrea_earl
Community Advocate
Community Advocate

I agree with the above. Practice Quizzes and "survey" (ungraded) options are wonderful tools that we loose in New Quizzes. I don't want to send my students out of Canvas to complete a survey or practice. Thank you. 

rislis
Community Champion

I hate New Quizzes, honestly. I don't like the "look." I think it's harder for teachers to edit and grade. No lockdown browser available. No practice quizzes and survey options?  What else am I missing?

And you're going to force us to use this product next summer? Sure hope you make some major changes before that happens.

Steven_S
Community Champion

@rislis  I also need practice quizzes, and I hope this idea will result in that function being added sooner rather than later.  For now, my practice quizzes are still in classic quizzes to avoid the problem. 

You might like to know that lockdown browser now works with new quizzes.  As a result I have been able to transfer my graded quizzes to new quizzes.  I do not find it dramatically more difficult to use - except if I start a question by creating the wrong question type, or start writing my prompt in the question title box.  Those work flow steps will require some time to get used to, but classic quizzes had quirks we got used to also.

rislis
Community Champion

Thanks for the update, @Steven_S ! Much appreciated!

jasonappel
Community Member

This is an absolute no-brainer. Hoping this is corrected very soon!

MadisonIngle
Community Member

This feature alone makes New Quizzes useless to me.  While I certainly don't want the grades page/gradebook any longer than it needs to be, the confusion on the part of my students' parents would be enormous whenever there are suddenly dozens of items in the gradebook that aren't for a grade.  

Steven_S
Community Champion

@MadisonIngle   I wouldn't mind the practice quizzes in the gradebook if they also had a filter in both teacher and student view that would hide everything that does not count towards the grade. But I do not have such a filter, and so practice quizzes in the gradebook equals clutter in my way.

However, having the gradebook's late policy apply to practice quizzes is a bigger problem than clutter in the gradebook.  Students will see that repeating a practice quiz late lowers their score, and so it makes it reduces the perceived re-take value.  I want my students to revisit practice quizzes from the previous 4 modules when they are studying for the exam.  Allowing the gradebook's late policy to apply to the practice quizzes will directly interfere with that.

Most of the other problems I have with new quizzes are only relevant to my practice quizzes: Question groups that randomly assign questions from the group do not yet easily transfer to new quizzes.  Also, matching questions do not also partial credit, and the alternative with fill in the blanks has issues that take time to work through.  So I can't just transfer my matching questions or my question group quizzes; I would have to do too much background work. 

So, my practice quizzes have stayed in classic quizzes, but I have been able to move to new quizzes with my graded quizzes.  The biggest problems I had with graded quizzes were with copying the course to a new section:  
- The setting to have new quizzes turned on did not copy with the course, I had to go back and turn it on. 
- The new quizzes all transferred as unpublished, so I had to turn each one on. 
- Some failed to transfer, and so I had to click a "retry" button. 
- After the "retry" transfer those specific quizzes were not in a module anymore, so I had to find the correct place and insert them.
- Lockdown browser settings do not transfer with new quizzes copied to a new course.  Previously I could just click the lockdown browser tab and have it confirm that my settings had been applied, now I must click each individual quiz, turn on lockdown browser, open advanced settings, allow ipads, and allow chromebooks.  One. at. a. time. for. each. quiz.

Those course copy issues are a real problem if you have to provide instructions for other faculty to teach a course that you designed.  Not knowing about those issues before you copy the course make it worse, especially if the course is copied by an admin that did not create the course to a section that will not be seen by the faculty who designed the course.  (Which is the case for us...) 

I believe that they are working on at least some of the course copy issues.  If those don't bother you, you could use a mix of new quizzes (for graded quizzes) and classic quizzes (for practice quizzes) like I did as way to start working out how to get things done in new quizzes.

Reshanga
Community Member

Yes please have the option within new quizzes to categorise as practice or ungraded (similar to classic quizzes) so they do not appear as gradebook assignments/clutter the gradebook which currently has very limited filter options. 

CASEYBARNES
Community Member

Yes!  My Warm-Ups and Exit Tickets were always "practice quiz" and did not junk up my grade book but were checkpoints for understanding.  With New Quizzes my grade book is a mess.

emily_smith2
Community Participant

I agree, we have a lot of "test your knowledge" type quizzes at the end of each week and it would be nice to include essay questions in these with model answers given as feedback instead of making the quizzes without essay questions as they would need to be marked.

adarsh
Community Participant

+1 from me on this. Both from the standpoint of needing a way to offer practice quizzes in New Quizzes as well as the way that New Quizzes appear on the gradebook even if they are marked as not counting toward the final grade.

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