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Post Feedback/Annotations and Grades Separately

Post Feedback/Annotations and Grades Separately

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Post Annotations and Grades Separately

It would be extremely beneficial to have the ability to post feedback separately from posting grades.

This is an extension of a previous idea on the community:

https://community.canvaslms.com/ideas/14428-release-feedback-and-marks-grades-separately-assignments

 

Current Situation:

Feedback and grades are posted simultaneously. With the new development (in beta) it will allow entering feedback without a grade and releasing this, a grade is therefore not entered or it is entered at a later stage.

There are a number of workarounds in order to accommodate the current functionality including providing feedback outside of Canvas, storing grades separately then going back and entering them into the system, not releasing feedback until a later stage, etc.... I'm sure there are more!

 

What we would like to do:

Enter feedback at the same time as entering the grade and have the ability to post grades and feedback separately (posting feedback would include annotations within SpeedGrader).

 

 335142_Post Feedback.jpg

 

 

Benefits include:

  • Students will get their feedback in a timely manner and not need to wait for ratification of grades.
  • This will save time as staff will not have to go back and enter grades at a later stage (which would be required in order to release timely feedback)
  • Reduce risk of error as grades will not need to be recorded separately before being entered / imported into Canvas.

 

Thanks,

Helen

27 Comments
Stef_retired
Community Team
Community Team

Hi,  @h_carmichael , thank you so much for sharing this idea. I hope you don't mind that I changed "feedback" to "annotations" in the title to remove any ambiguity and so that the idea clearly references DocViewer; if this doesn't comport with your intention, please let us know.

h_carmichael
New Member

Hi stefaniesanders, thank you for this! Just to clarify, when I talk about feedback I am referring to overall comments on the sidebar as well as annotations within DocViewer (in essence all feedback), I hope that makes sense!

Thanks again,

Helen

Stef_retired
Community Team
Community Team

 @h_carmichael , I understand, yet it would be best to keep this idea focused on DocViewer, as it needs to be prioritized for potential development separately from Speedgrader comments, which is the focus of the idea referenced in the description.

h_carmichael
New Member

Hi stefaniesanders, we have carried out a few tests and the development in beta seems to encompass the annotations in DocViewer as well as the SpeedGrader comments, other users have also alluded to this being the case as well. The idea I referenced didn't specify between the two (although a comment within the idea did). My idea is regarding all feedback as it shouldn't really be a two step process to release feedback should annotations and comments both be utilized by staff. 

If I should raise a separate idea for combining feedback avenues to be released separately from grades please let me know!!

Thanks,

Helen

Stef_retired
Community Team
Community Team

 @h_carmichael , based on your testing experience, that makes considerable sense. That said, I would suggest waiting until the functionality currently in beta is released to production to get a broader sense of how the new workflow is working out for your instructors.

h_carmichael
New Member

No Problem, thanks for this stefaniesanders!

liamstakelum
New Member

Voted up! This would be a great addition- in line with what the research tells us about how feedback should be used. Be great if Canvas could add this as it seems like a common request.

Estefania
New Member

This is brilliant! When our students submit final exams, we must provide feedback to justify our marking for external examiners, but it is a pity that this feedback never reaches the student because final marks cannot be released until much later when the boards approve them. At that stage, the feeback is not of any use to the students. With this idea, students would be able to benefit from tutors' comments while marks remain hidden until they are officially confirmed.

caseylouisee
New Member

I also think this would be a great feature. Since going digital we've had to put our tests online. Usually with tests students only see their marks and not the feedback but with Canvas this is not possible to do. Releasing the annotations and the grades separately would be so beneficial!

 

ccassidy1
Community Member

Currently there is no way to natively hide marks from students whilst still revealing feedback. In our Junior School context (specifically grades 3-6) our focus is on providing concrete student feedback, as opposed to marks or grades. However, teachers still require marks to monitor student progress and for reporting purposes.

My feature idea is to have the option to ‘hide grades but show feedback’ at an individual assignment level. This would allow our junior school teachers to utilise the grade book functionality of Canvas whilst hiding these grades from the students. 

Note: A rubric without points doesn't solves the issue as we still want the grades getting sent to the gradebook. 

pmillar
Instructure
Instructure

This is a great idea! I can see this being used well beyond Junior Schools, particularly for formative assessments from K-University even. Teachers still need access to be able to assign marks/points/grades, but being able to hide that from the students helps them to focus on the feedback so that they can learn/improve, rather than focusing on what their "score" was.

Edit: So it looks like my comment was merged into a different feature idea. The idea by @ccassidy1  Christine Cassidy (which I had commented on previously) is different to the one above. I'm not sure about the rest of the world, but in APAC (particularly from K-10), most schools would like the option of just hiding the grades/marks from students for their assessments - there would be no intention of EVER releasing grades/marks to student for those assignments, just the feedback. This feedback would be in the form of pre-written criteria in rubrics, as well as individual feedback to students. However, the teachers still need some sort of mark/points in the back end to calculate where a students stands from a competency standpoint, so the points would still need to be available in the rubric criteria for the teachers to see/use, just not visible to students (this includes points allocated to outcomes).

SiobhanRooney
New Member

Being able to provide feedback without marks would be fantastic! It would be great if there was a button where you could select show feedback and another button for show marks. This would even be helpful for secondary and university to encourage students to first read their feedback and reflect on it before moving to seeing their final grade.  

ccassidy1
Community Member

Thanks for the shout out @pmillar . It's a shame my suggestion has been merged with another suggestion from 15 months ago! As you've said, the big difference is we NEVER  want to release grades/marks to student for those assignments, just the feedback.

We want to have the option of setting this on an assignment-by-assignment basis.

kate_errington
New Member

Great idea!

fidalgok
Community Member

I think this is a beneficial change to the current behavior of posting grades. This has come up several times for us where we have faculty that would like to post comments and/or annotations but not post grades. I'd also like to add that a lot of our faculty also grade anonymously. I realize this is probably a separate feature request but for those anonymous grading assignments it would be grade if the anonymity could be preserved after posting grades, comments, and annotations to students.

MWilliams24
Community Member

Would love to have the ability to release feedback (especially rubric feedback) at a different time to student marks, without needing to use any workarounds. Another possible implementation would be to release both at the same time, but require students to view the rubric feedback first and then click a button to be taken to their final mark.

PeterTwining
New Member

I agree with @MWilliams24 - it would be very useful (and pedagogical sound) to be able to release feedback (including/especially rubric feedback) before releasing grades. Indeed I would like to be able to conceal any reference to points/grades/% contribution to the course from students until some point after they have had their formative feedback (i.e. comments and feedback against the rubric).

WhitneyReichel
New Member

Great work thank you for sharing.

karevd
New Member

I'm in!

Thank you so much for sharing this idea

MarcWarmoes
New Member

Great idea!