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Rubric without points

Rubric without points

This idea has been developed and deployed to Canvas

 

Hello

 

We would like to use rubric without having to put in points against each line.

 

One of the more difficult issues we have is that rubrics in Canvas need a mark against them, even if they are not tied directly to the final mark and do not have a total. In my university, academics use rubrics only as an overall indicator of the strengths and weaknesses of work. If we put marks against them, we find the student may focus on the score rather than the on what is being communicated, and in any case the mark on the rubric has no meaning.

 

Attached is a description of the simple change we would like

see in Canvas

 

Mark

Comments from Instructure

For more information, please read through the https://community.canvaslms.com/docs/DOC-14928 .

56 Comments
Renee_Carney
Community Team
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chofer
Community Coach
Community Coach

For reference, please see my (now archived) Feature Idea here.  Hopefully this idea will get more votes this time.

mark_soole
Community Member

Noted. It seems identical. I have suggested Canvas co-ordinates merging the two as it seems your proposal will be re-opened on the 16th Feb.

Thanks, Mark

Renee_Carney
Community Team
Community Team

Hi  @mark_soole ​

You are correct, the two ideas are a match!  In the feature idea process that we use we do not merge feature ideas.  Chris's idea was excellent, but it did not make the 100 vote threshold in the 3 months that it was open.  We recognize that user priorities change over time, which is why we encourage users to resubmit an idea when they think the time is right!

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pete1
Community Contributor

This idea will work very well for us as we run on a "competent / not yet competent" (which competent is 100%) grading system. This can be quite lengthy if you have 10-15 rubric points and the students only miss out on one point.

colleen
Community Participant

Our organisation would also like the competent / not yet competent. We already have students who are confused by the point system that we don't even use and have only been using Canvas since the end of January this year.

tbunag
Community Champion

A number of faculty use letter grades for their assignments, and creating a rubric without points would help in this scenario as well.  It would allow the rubric to match with the grading for the assignment, decreasing confusion.  Currently, faculty either have to convert all the letters to a proportional amount of the grade or set up the rubric with every category worth zero points.  Otherwise, students get confused.

pmillar
Instructure
Instructure

I'd just like to add further input. A lot of schools might want to have the point values on the "back end" for the teacher to see (so that they can more easily track where students are at), but have the points hidden for the students for the reasons everyone has stated. I think this would work great if the points in rubric criteria can be hidden from students as an option when the rubric is created for the assignment, along with the option to have individual rubric criteria not be used in calculating point totals for the assignment (like is currently possible when using outcomes in rubrics, without necessarily having to use outcomes).

mbray
Community Member

I would like to echo Paul's sentiments. This would be an essential upgrade for our Junior School and Senior School; as it would remove the one barrier that we have in using rubrics. For us attaching marks to a rubric contradicts the very point of a rubric. The rubric is to make success criteria explicit and learning visible. If the marks can be (at least) hidden from students that would create a massive buy-in for my Junior School and Senior School staff. Senior school are mandated to report against state based performance standards - this is complicated by the inclusion of the numerical value attached.

susan_cornish
Community Participant

Yes, in Vocational Education and Training it is not generally useful to provide points for student work, as we are focussed on building competence in a task. Competent or not yet competent is a useful distinction for us. Points can actually mislead the student, who may infer from their points that they are 'passing' and yet still be 'not-yet competent'.

I agree Paul that the points could still be useful as an option for teachers.

denise_lombardo
Community Participant

Absolutely -  I often do this in my own grade book as a reference...but I don't show the kids as I want them to focus on the feedback, not the number. Dylan Wiliam mentions similar research in discussing the effectiveness of NOT giving marks so that students think about what is said...research has shown that as soon as kids see the number, they don't look any further. Thanks, Paul!

ctmaya
Community Contributor

I wish I could vote more than once for this one! Sometimes you want to give constructive feedback that does not include points and is not associated with a grade.

jstewart
Community Member

I also echo both Paul,Melissa and Denise's comments. Attaching marks to rubrics for our Junior and Middle School students is in direct contradiction to what we are trying to achieve with the rubric. We want the students to understand the criteria for success and to be clear on what learning they need to demonstrate in order to achieve well, and then when reflecting upon the task understand how they were graded based upon explicit criteria. A grade does not demonstrate this at all, and whilst both the descriptors and the grades are currently shown simultaneously, the research (including Black and Wilam, 1998 and Wiliam, 2010) clearly shows the effectiveness clear feedback and not giving grades. Denise's comment is spot on - many students just see the grade and move on, hence don't learn from the rubric and feedback associated with it, and hence are less likely to demonstrate better understanding in subsequent assessments.

Having the marks show to teachers in the backend is fine. Let's face it, the overall grading scheme of rubrics and assessment in Canvas is based upon points, so it is helpful for teachers to be able to see how points are assigned to reach a suggested overall grade, but for many students is counterproductive and devalues the effectiveness of rubrics.

Without muddying the waters, I would also like to suggest the following (both of which are related to this idea/request)

1. Support Paul's other comment, the option to have individual rubric criteria not be used in calculating point totals for the assignment would be invaluable to us. This can be done with Outcomes, but many schools (including us) also use reporting indicators which we don't load as an outcome. We'd like to include these in our rubrics so we can track student progress against them, however not have points allocated to them so they are not used to calculate the points.


2. Where a grading scale other than points is used for an assignment, don't show the points to students (or at least the option not to). If we are grading against an A - E grade for example, Canvas stubbornly puts the mark/points against it as well even though we want a grade scale, not points. Once again, when students see a number, they have a tendency not to look any further, and for our Junior and Middle School students we don't show numbers . . . . .

anna_selway
Community Participant

This would help so much for the majority of quals taught in my college in the UK.  Wish I could vote more than one.

mcsmith
Instructure
Instructure

Hi All, Thanks for all the great dialogue around this. If you were using the rubric for grading, would there be value to not displaying points for each criterion row but still giving a total score to the assignment that rubric is tied to. For example, If a rubric had 3 rows ( we will call them A, B, C for simplicity) all using the same rating scale Proficient(3), Approaching(2), Not Met (1)  and a student got proficient for rows A and B and approaching for C. The student would see a total score of 8 but if the student clicked on the rubric they would only see the ratings without points. I would love to get some thoughts around this. Thanks!

 @mark_soole ​ pmillar

susan_cornish
Community Participant

For us, we don't want students to see marks at all because they are often misleading. At the end of each unit, our students are basically either competent in the workplace skill or not yet competent. They may get 80% of the available points in activities yet they may still be lacking a key ingredient in terms of competency.

It's important to be able to give useful feedback, but marks need to be optional.

pcallil
Community Member
Is it possible to have assessment components - mark ups, rubrics and comments released at varying times

This would allow feedback to be given before marks and de-emphasise marks in favour of constructive comments and mark ups.

This is quite similar to the request ie the concept of de-emphasising marks.

kmartin4
Community Participant

I agree with Mark--I only use rubrics for guidance . . . to communicate what students need to improve. I, too find, that students get too caught in the points.

pmillar
Instructure
Instructure

Hi McCall,

I think what people are probably looking for is the option of hiding the points from the view of the student using a tick box when creating the rubric. It would be great to be able to do this for each criteria and/or for the rubric as a whole. Schools quite often use long descriptors for each criterion (particularly for formative assessment), which is what they want the student to focus on. It's only for summative assessments where points become more important (not to take away from the feedback though).

Hope that makes sense! Deactivated user​

Amanda_L_Albrig
Community Participant

I agree with what many others have said. In our use of rubrics (mostly formative) we are looking for level of proficiency or competence and opportunities to provide feedback. We are not looking to use the rubric to score or grade the assignment.

Amanda