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Upload an image directly to a discussion as a student

Upload an image directly to a discussion as a student

This idea has been developed and deployed to Canvas

 

As a student, I want to be able to upload an image directly to a discussion. I can only do this today using a cludgy, two-step workaround: (1) upload the image to my personal files, then (2) use the content-picker in the discussion-response window to select the image from my files. Instructors can upload images directly to discussions. Students can upload images directly to other parts of Canvas. Seems odd that this use case requires a workaround.


transferred from the old Community
Originally posted by: Sunny Washington
Thank you especially for contributions by: T Beasley, Stefanie Sanders

Comments from Instructure

This is now completed for mobile and web.

For more information, please read through the following release notes:

Canvas Student Release Notes (iOS 6.3) 

Canvas Student Release Notes (Android 6.3) 

https://community.canvaslms.com/docs/DOC-15857-canvas-release-notes-2018-11-17 

200 Comments
rlbrown21
Community Member

FINALLY!  does this go live yesterday?  Smiley Wink

zechariah_kouns
New Member

I am Livid. Just Livid. WHY HASN"T THIS BEEN BLOODY IMPLEMENTED YET!!!!? It has been MULTIPLE years since this is up and this HASN'T been implemented after ALL this TIME!? SERIOUSLY!? I don't even see how this MOST BASIC feature which is on MANY MANY websites is NOT on this area of this website which is where it's needed MOST. I'm not a coder, but it really shouldn't take 4 YEARS to implement this in. I don't even know how this was "greenlit" without said feature. If you can't implement that, then the very least expand the "Imbed" to include images from your computer alone. Now, I recognize I'm just SMASHING my key board, being mad, right now, so I'm not being very rational right now, but seriously, this is just ludicrous.

johnmartin
Community Champion

I wonder if the fact that it exists via CIDI means Canvas doesn't see a need to build it into the core product?

awilliams
Instructure
Instructure

Hi zechariah.kouns Welcometo the Canvas Community! I can completely understand the frustration when a particular feature isn't functioning the way users need or want it to. There is a lot that is involved with the feature development process for Canvas and you can read more about that at How does the feature idea process work?

For this specific feature, I can pass along this information from a comment last week by  @scottdennis :

"Rich Content Editor: File/Image Drag & Drop" and "SpeedGrader Screen Recorder" are both slated for development after Instructurecon 2018. Usually we don't like to comment on when things will be released until they are done and through QA and we can deliver on promises made, but both updates are slated for development.

 @johnmartin ‌, this may answer your latest question as well.

I hope you will continue to participate in the Community and share your successes as well as your struggles here where we can all help each other out. Cheers!

laurakgibbs
Community Champion

I totally understand the frustration (there are honestly a lot of things that frustrate me about standardized software)... and the solution I opt for is just to find other tools that meet my requirements while waiting to see if/when the features I want show up in the LMS. A tool like Padlet, for example, easy to embed in Canvas, is very student-friendly, allowing them to quickly upload images, share videos, etc. in an environment that, at least for my purposes, is much more visually appealing than a traditional discussion board.

Even when students are finally able to upload images quickly and easily, the discussion board is going to be what it is: an old-style online format that is very far removed from the kinds of online environments students choose to participate in when they are connecting and sharing online. 🙂

arovner
Community Contributor

Hi Laura,

Padlet is definitely a fun option.  Just keep in mind that, right now, it's not particularly accessible.  You can check out their accessibility info here. It sounds like they are working on it but I doubt it will ever "force" students to add alt text to images like Canvas now does for faculty.  (I'm hopeful that same workflow will happen for student uploads as well whenver they finally roll it out).

Best,

Amy

laurakgibbs
Community Champion

Image accessibility is more than just about alt-text, unfortunately. If you are using images to actually convey content, other than just for fun/decoration, it takes a lot to write out the information conveyed by the image in text. I have an ongoing project to transcribe the text from infographics, for example. For meaningful images, it's often a matter of transcription, not just a snippet of alt-text for a screenreader. A good solution can be to provide that text information together with the image, or to provide a link that goes from the text accompanying the image to a blog post (the link-to-blog-post is my preferred solution) in order to supply the full text explanation that students would need. I'm all for alt-text, especially to alert students that the image is purely decorative... but for images that are more than decorative and actually convey content (just think of any kind of chart, graph, infographic, etc.), alt-text is rarely enough, and often a hyperlink is what you need to go to another page that has a detailed transcription / description.

arovner
Community Contributor

laurakgibbs‌ Most definitely!  I completely agree.

All the more reason for faculty to be cautious when using a tool like Padlet without knowing themselves, and also teaching their students, how to make what they post accessible to all of their classmates.

Amy

laurakgibbs
Community Champion

Well, I guess I'm actually saying something quite different (and I do that based on having taught classes in which I had a blind student in the past, and also several classes with deaf students): making content accessible is actually a huge undertaking; that's why schools have offices to support students with needs in order to get transcriptions and descriptions of visual charts, to do something better than auto-captioning for videos, etc. I worry that people have been lulled into thinking that by providing a snippet of alt-text for an image they have made their content accessible. Not at all. It's so much more than that, and to say that something is accessible just because it has alt-text is actually not correct. All it means is that a student using a screenreader can access the alt-text using their screenreader. How close or far that is to accessing the information being conveyed by the image is quite a different question; often it is very far indeed. 

arovner
Community Contributor

Hi Laura,

We are both A11y's here so I don't want this string to sound like we are arguing. I fully agree that there is SO much more that needs to be done in a course if you have an enrolled blind student. 

In our state for all IT we use on campus and online, we are now required to have a VPAT and, if that and testing shows a tool to be non-compliant with WC3 2.0 standards, we need an equally effective alternate access plan in place prior to selecting that as a tool in our courses.  Yes - at this point - this is more aspirational than reality but that's what we are working towards.  I tossed out "alt-text" because we are discussing images but accessibility of a tool is more than just that and for more disabilities than just low/no vision.  

Padlet hit a nerve because I am currently trying to get more accessibility information from them about their product and it's been slow going.  Ironically I finally (last interaction was in early Feb!) got a reply from Padlet this morning but it was pretty much a "non-response:"

 

"Thank you for writing for us. First of all, I want to apologize if it’s taken some time for us to write back to you.

Your request goes beyond just engineering but might need some further study. As such, we will try to update you as soon as we can, but the work required is estimated to occur over a span of months.

Please know that we are doing our best. Please let us know if you have any further questions. Thank you."

Keep up the good accessibility work - it's going to take a global education village to make our needs heard by vendors, publishers, etc.!!

 

Best,
Amy

laurakgibbs
Community Champion

Totally agree! With vendors, alt-text might be the best we can hope for... and in the end, it is really going to be up to educators to do the heavy lifting. But it is worth it! And everybody benefits. 🙂

kmobbs
New Member

I was fairly shocked that images couldn't be loaded directly in the editor window.

stale_heggset
New Member

Spot on!

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sheldonj1
New Member

hmmmmm

jamejustsayin'

abock
New Member

I agree with this petition

Renee_Carney
Community Team
Community Team

This is completed for mobile, but still on radar for web.

For more information, please read through the following release notes:

Canvas Student Release Notes (iOS 6.3) 

Canvas Student Release Notes (Android 6.3) 

momillard
New Member

Thank you for the update on this long standing open idea.

Can you provide an estimate for when the web feature will be implemented.  Also, should the Idea technically be marked as "complete" and "developed and deployed" since it is technically still not complete for the web?

Thanks,

~Mark

khirschmann1
New Member

In my view it is not completed, it's not even half done.  As you pointed out they provided a mobile-only feature which in no way provides a comprehensive solution.  Many students don't use the mobile app, and most of our students do their work on a desktop, especially discussion posts because the discussion tool on the mobile app is terrible.  This idea doesn't even mention anything about mobile in its description, so this "solution" isn't even for this idea.  Marking this completed is misleading, even if technically this is still on the radar for web.

fvansaun
New Member

I agree with Kenny, this idea is not completed if it is only available for the mobile app (where one was always able to upload screen shots saved in your photos directly to the discussions). The discussion threads are actually pretty much un-view-able on a phone when they have more than just a few images embedded in them because of the processing power of a phone. I actually tell students only to use the app for discussions if they are using their phone to record a video clip, otherwise they should not bother as almost all of our discussions include sharing images. 

Clearly the request for this functionality was based on a need students have when using Canvas on the full desktop version, not for students using the app. Please do not list this as completed when it has not in fact been.

PS. The complications/struggles students have with embedding images is the most frequent topic for complaints received on technology surveys at our institution, regrading Canvas. That the problem is still not solved is really disturbing.

amassals
New Member

I'm really shocked. I've been teaching for over a year now on Canvas and uploading an image to discussions has been a major problem...for both students and myself. Sometimes I don't want to upload an image to my Files first, I just want to post something for students to see, like an information image that I don't need to save.

And students are so frustrated by this process. I had to make a video to show them how to do it. Please work on this CANVAS!

Andrea Massalski

Adjunct Instructor

Photography Department, V69

City College of San Francisco

50 Phelan Avenue

San Francisco, CA 94112