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What if grading for instructors

What if grading for instructors

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Currently instructors cannot create hypothetical scores for students like What-If scores. This would be very helpful as we get close to the end of the quarter to see if a student has the ability to reach a particular grade or not.

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kari
Community Contributor

Probably a link like the "analytics" is a link. I don't think it would be enough space for the full what-if to be displayed.  Something like this:

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mpedersen
Community Participant

Sure!

James
Community Champion

Thanks for clarifying,  @kari 

I agree that it should not happen on the context card itself because of space limitations.

It will also need to be available some other way unless Canvas makes the student context cards available for everyone. I'm not sure if it needs a separate button there, though. I would like to see it as a button on the student Grades page, which is where the actual What If could take place. Then just going to Grades would get you there. That way, an instructor could show the page to the student and say "and you can go in here and do the same thing". I wouldn't want the What If to happen inside the Gradebook itself. Although a case could be made for changing all of the student grades at once to see what would happen, I'm worried about people forgetting to toggle the mode if it's in the gradebook and changing grades without an easy "roll-back" feature.

llane2
Community Participant

Right now I'm sending out "warnings" to students. I don't want them to say, "you have a D, so go use What If to make sure you can pass", but that's what's happening. Instead I would like to say, "you have a D, but you still have a good chance to pass because x". I have quite a few assignments and it would help students if I could comment more specifically.

soxford
Community Contributor

Yes, a What if feature for faculty that works similar to what a student sees would be my vote as well.   As  @James Jones mentions. This is the best way to model for students the what if feature that is available for use.

Tasha_Biesinger
Community Contributor

 @eabshire  Loved your post (great way to start the day).  I wholeheartedly agree with helping our students use their skills.

I'd still like this functionality.  There are times (e.g. when preliminary grades are due for graduating students) when I need to figure out whether specific students are likely to pass and what their current grade trajectory is without downloading the CSV and entering the calculations.

don_bryn
Community Champion

Oh this would be so useful to me right now!   As we approach the end of the semester and students are constantly asking what they can do to bring up their grades, it would be so useful to be able to put in some hypothetical grades to see exactly how much help they might need. 

thompsli
Community Champion

I just found another use case for this. Our school is moving to a new model for credit recovery where "close to completing" students can finish up work from a previously-flunked class instead of completing a credit recovery packet/class "from scratch" in limited cases. 

It would be really helpful as an instructor to be able to go in and "what if" each failing student's grade a bit so I can create documentation about what that student would need to do to pass so it's clear which students should be offered this opportunity and which specific assignments they should be told to do (or re-do). Right now, I have to get out Excel and do some spreadsheet-messing to figure this out (I use weighted grades and drop rules in each category, so it's a bit complicated to figure out by hand).

mitchelc
Community Member

Please, please and PLEASE! We are under pressure to issue "Early Warnings" when students are doing poorly, and simultaneously asking them to come in to talk to their professors about what they can do to pass. But when they do, it's a pain to figure out what would make the difference. 

mitchelc
Community Member

Also, please make sure the "What If" would extend to future AND past assignments! Re the Past Assignments, I sometimes give "late work amnesty," to offer students a max of 70% (i.e. passing) for late work whose deadline penalties would otherwise be zero. Would be great to tell students -- TAKE ME UP ON THIS OFFER AND YOU WILL PASS! 😉 

Steven_S
Community Champion

This can be done manually using the test student... First go to the settings tab and select view as a student.  Then click the button at the bottom of the screen to leave student view.  Then there will be a new "student" always at the bottom of the list in the gradebook, "Test Student."  Manually enter for "Test Student" duplicate grades matching the student you are helping, and then add "what if" grades as needed. 

It would be really helpful if there was an option to set the test student to match: (select from drop down list of enrolled students)

tflanagan
Community Member

This feature would be so helpful! Please add it.

RobDitto
Community Champion

steven I really like your idea about the Test Student:

It would be really helpful if there was an option to set the test student to match: (select from drop down list of enrolled students)

If you haven't already, check out a popular feature idea which relates to your comment:

gnoack
Community Champion

Please add this functionality to Canvas.  I would use it weekly to monitor my students progress. Currently I have to export the gradebook and create formulas to determine possible grades for students, and I have to do this each time as more grades are added throughout the semester.  

kredwar2
Community Member

PLEASE add this function as it would make my job so much easier and it would help me see what the students are talking about. 

Thank you

chofer
Community Coach
Community Coach

Full disclosure...  I'm an admin for our Canvas instance and do not teach courses...so I may not know all the reasons for wanting a "what if" feature for instructors.  However, have you considered using your school's Canvas "beta" environment for this?  How do I access the Canvas beta environment as an instructor?   According to What is the Canvas release schedule for beta, production, and test environments?, the beta refresh happens every Saturday:

The beta environment is refreshed with data from the production environment every Saturday. Any work or content added to the beta environment will be overwritten.   
      

*An exact time when the beta environment will be overwritten by production will vary for every organization.

If you did any grading in your school's "production" environment after a Saturday refresh, those grades wouldn't be reflected in the "beta" environment (so a bit of work might need to be done to enter those grades there, too).  But, using the "beta" environment would allow you to try out those "what if" or hypothetical scenarios without messing with the actual grades in your "production" environment.

My $0.02 as a work-around for the time being...

awarmar
Community Participant

This may not be the case at other institutions, but at ours, you have to request access to our beta environment from our Canvas Admin. So, while this is a great idea (and since I have access to our beta, I have done exactly as you suggest in the course I adjunct for in the past) it won't work for the majority of our faculty and I would suspect other institutions are in the same boat as well. 

ksultzbach
Community Member

Yes--this is really important.  If a student has extenuating circumstances, you also need to be able to play with with options both for past grades (if you want to give them an opportunity to revise or re-take) as well as advise them on what kinds of grades would be needed for future assignments.  Please do give instructors access to this important tool.

sara_samples1
Community Participant

I have always wanted this feature, but now that we are learning at home, I NEED this feature.  I no longer have the option of calling kids in during office hours and sitting down with them to mess with 'what if'  grades on their screen.

Our district does not give us the ability to view the class as a specific student, only as a generic test student, so I have to copy over all the grades a student has earned into the test student's gradebook in order to test what if scores in the student view.  (If you do this by downloading and uploading the gradebook as spreadsheets, it's not an impossible work around, but ugh).

I also would love this feature to be available to observers.  As an advisor I ended up doing a lot of math by hand on post it notes to figure out what my kiddos should concentrate on for final exams, and this would have been so much faster.  Smiley Wink

thompsli
Community Champion

I have an Excel spreadsheet saved that I've programmed with all of my grading categories and weights just so I can do "what if" for myself. It's so exasperating.

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