I am a TA for a class. The teacher wants me to convert their physical quizzes to Canvas Quizzes. The problem I am having is that the quizzes are 100 points each, 27 questions each, each question being 4 points. That totals to 108, the teacher wants it to act as a way that students can get two questions wrong while still getting a max score of 100 but not being able to go over 100.
For example if I got 25/27 questions right I would get the max score of 100. But if I got 27/27 I would still only get a max score of 100 (they don't act as extra credit).
I have tried finding a way to do this besides manually discounting for the 8 points at the end of the class but have not been able to so any help would be appreciated.
Hi @cardonfry ...
Have you tried creating two separate quizzes...one with 25 questions at 4 points each, and another with two questions at 4 points each? The second quiz might have to be set up as non-graded, but at least then the instructor could still see whether or not the questions were answered correctly. Would this option work?
@cardonfry , I'm racking my brains on this one, and as far as I can figure out, @chofer has given you the only solution that doesn't involve any manual grading and fudging. Would the teacher be willing to present the students a quiz that randomly selects 25 out of the 27 questions? True, not every student would answer every question, but since the random selection is a large number out of an only slightly larger pool, nearly all students would get nearly all questions. If you would consider designing the quiz this way, you'd need to create a single question group within the quiz; the question group should be set to pick 25 questions at 4 points each. Then, drag and drop all 27 questions into the question group; remember to click the Create Group, Save, and Publish buttons as appropriate. For more information on this, please refer to the lesson from the Canvas Guides on question groups and randomizing questions: How do I create a Quiz with a Question Group to randomize quiz questions?
Unfortunately, I think both of their responses miss the point.
The teacher wants the students to be able to miss any two questions and still get 100%. Neither solution does that.
Chris' solution decides which two questions they can miss without hurting their grade. Stefanie's solution only asks them 25 questions, so they don't get to miss any.
However, Cardon, you don't need to wait until the end of the semester to manually discount the 8 points. Besides, taking a blanket 8 points off the total won't actually fix your problem, you would still need to go through student by student and decide who needs points removed.
However, if can use Excel, here's how you can accomplish what you want. It involves making changes to a gradebook using a spreadsheet. The Canvas Guides explain the general principles of changing the grades in a spreadsheet How do I upload changes to the Gradebook? but won't address your specific situation. Read on to find how to do that.
In both situations, it is important that you convey to the students that the scores will be adjusted but the process is done manually.
This is the recommended approach if it can be done.
This approach has the benefit that you can see how the students did on the overall exam, not just the adjusted score. However, it requires a weighted gradebook so that you can put the original exam into a non-graded category. Regrading a question won't be an issue using this technique and you might be able to just go through and change the affected students manually without repeating the entire process.
If you have an points-based, unweighted gradebook, things are tougher and potentially problematic. You are strongly encouraged to make a copy of their original scores somewhere as they will be lost in this process and they are not easily recoverable.
Some people use points to weight their gradebook without understanding that's what they're doing. So it may be possible to change to a weighted gradebook to get the benefits of that method. Some faculty say "I don't weight my gradebook, I use points. There are 4 exams worth 100 points each, 10 quizzes worth 20 points each, a midterm and a final both worth 200 points." But what they have just described is a weighted gradebook: exams are worth 40%, quizzes are worth 20%, and major exams are worth 40%.
Anyway, despite all my cautions against doing this, here's how you can do it with an unweighted gradebook.
This approach has the benefit that there is only one grade in the gradebook, but you lose the original scores on the quiz when you do this. Regrading a question will potentially be an issue of students getting the 8% adjustment every time a question is regraded (see note 4).
I hope this helps. It can be done, but there is a little extra work involved as the functionality is not built into Canvas.
What @James came up with is slightly complicated, but brilliant!
I'd like to add one little idea out there if you are using an unweighted (points based) gradebook and would like to retain the integrity of the original quiz/quiz scores. After the students are done taking the quiz and you've downloaded and adjusted the scores, so between steps 10 & 11, you can switch the original quiz from a graded quiz to a practice quiz. This leaves the quiz and student responses intact, the only thing it does is removes it from the gradebook. You could then upload the updated quiz scores as a new assignment.
You could actually do this as well for the weighted gradebook option instead of moving the original (raw) quizzes to a zero weight assignment group. This would remove the quizzes from the gradebook (so possibly less confusion for the students), yet, as James mentioned you would definitely want to let the students know what's going on and how things will work! Far better to let them know ahead of time then get a ton of freaked out student emails after the fact!
Hope this helps!
I had looked at practice quizzes, graded surveys, and ungraded surveys before coming up with what I suggested, but I looked at them on the front end, not the rear.
For purposes of my understanding and for clarification, do I understand the following correctly?
This used to work in Canvas before a 'cough' bug fix.
You could simply wait until all the students took the quiz then add a question worth negative points. In this case make it worth -2 points and then Shazzam, students could miss 2 questions and still get a 100%.
This happened in the Canvas Production Release Notes (2015-08-08)
I noticed this too late and pleaded the use case for allowing this, but sadly I was not successful
I guess we could start a feature request to get something like this back.