Word count for Speedgrader (DocViewer) grading

[gsaltveit]

This idea has been developed and is On Canvas Beta  How do I access the Canvas beta environment?

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It would be extremely helpful for student submissions to also include a word count when we are correcting them on Speedgrader through DocViewer.

Thank you!

Comments from Instructure

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Hello, all! Just a quick note to share that this idea is currently being worked on. There are a couple things to consider in this request and we will need to address them in iterations.

Our first step is to add word count to SpeedGrader for text entry assignments. Our currently plan is for this to be available in November.

Our next step is to do some additional scoping for how to accomplish this with files uploaded and viewed through DocViewer. More to come on this as we look into if this can be accurately and consistently made available.

[Chris_Hofer]

FWIW, this Feature Idea, , was open for voting in an earlier voting period, and it didn't get enough votes to move on to the next stage.  Maybe it can get some more votes this time 'round.

[powellj]

Hi  @Renee_Carney ,

I just came across this idea submission as well as the one you linked to above. However, unless I'm misunderstanding the comment chain in that post ( ), it is related to adding that functionality to the RCE. Specifically, Scott Dennis' comment was, "While I can't share a specific timeline, it looks promising that we will be able to add a word count to the RCE where a user will see a running count as they are typing in the editor."  However, this idea post here is requesting that the word count be added to the SpeedGrader/Crocodoc - which is actually the one we are interested in the most. It would not serve any purpose for the instructors who grade papers, submitted as an uploaded file, to have a Word Count in the RCE.

[Renee_Carney]

 @powellj ​

Thank you so much for your response.  I did goof on this one.  I miss-read it.  My apologies.

We can open this idea for voting, however, if it is ok with you I would like to take 'crocodoc' out of the description.  I know it is the tool used in the SpeedGrader now, but we have no control over the development of Crocodoc. 

Thanks again.  Your idea will open for voting December 2nd.

[snewman]

Hey, it's Dec 2! When can we vote?

[Chris_Hofer]

See this posting from  @scottdennis ​...  https://community.canvaslms.com/docs/DOC-2109#comment-30713

[scottdennis]

Thank you for your patience, snewman​.  This idea is now open for voting.

[pcraig]

This is a fantastic idea, it would save so much time for our faculty and staff!

[carrie]

Word count in RCE would be great to help students self-monitor and meet the requirements for Discussion replies and Assignment text entry submissions.

But yes, word count in SpeedGrader would be brilliant so teachers can see, at a glance, if that requirement was met. This would be especially helpful when teachers have word count as part of the rubric.

[lindalee]

Currently, to determine whether students have met the required length requirements in an assignment, it's necessary to open a file in a word processor, use Turnitin and look at the summary of the originality report, or copy and paste the content of an essay into a blank word processing file. Though each workaround will yield a word count, they each involve several extra steps that add time to evaluating a student's submission.

[asatkins]

This would be great for essay questions on quiz submissions in speedgrader. I think our English faculty especially would appreciate it!

[mortonanngernsb]

It would be great if there was a Word Count in Speed Grader also for (graded) Discussion posts (as well as graded Assignments).

[mary_lukasik]

The tool would help any faculty who requires essays.  Our Intensive English department requires a specific word count for essays in various levels.

[anna_go]

A Word Count feature in Speed Grader would promote a linear and focused writing style that is beneficial in developing effective communication skills. 

[Jeff_F]

I could not agree more. 

In a course section having +35 students not having to do this would save a great deal of time.    That said, I am getting rather good at visually estimating word counts.  :smileycool:

[Jeff_F]

 @anna_go ​ - what might be a counter argument against integrating a word count?  Would a visual indication of the word count have students focusing on 'how many more words do I have to type' vs. the construct of their post? 

This reminds me of the concrete vs. abstract thought process and how such a word count indicator might be a distraction.  Is this a consideration?

[mortonanngernsb]

In a course of 130 students, each of whom I require to write at least 200 words five times a week, this feature would help me a lot, too.

[Jeff_F]

I can relate.  To mix it up, starting this term I redesigned a course so some of the writing assignments transitioned to become video/ webcam recordings.  This approach affords variety to the activities.  I am hoping this change provides benefits to the students and instructors alike.  With over a thousand student enrollments in this single course each year we'll have a sizable population to review.  Cheers!

[anna_go]

Hi Jeff,

A word count feature may be distracting and affect the writer’s choice of words in either brevity or filler sake.

But, overall a word count would outweigh the benefits for the student as well as the instructor.

Respectfully,

Anna

Anna Go

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[mortonanngernsb]

Just to play devil's advocate here, many of my students compose their posts (and their written assignments) in Microsoft Word (or other word processors) and then copy and paste them into the Discussion Board (or into the assignment text box). And students are using Microsoft Word (or other word processors) for most all of their writing assignments in most all other classes.

Microsoft Word (and most other word processors) *already* have a visible word count feature. So whatever beneficial or detrimental effect having a visible word count feature in Canvas's RCE (Rich Content Editor) would have on students' writing, it's already having that effect is my guess.

Cheers - Morton

[anna_go]

I agree Morton – there’s always a workaround. Cheers, Anna

Anna Go

Program Coordinator | Online Continuing Education | Houston Community College

PH 713.718.8185 | FX 713.718.5120 | Email anna.go@hccs.edu<mailto:anna.go@hccs.edu> | Website www.hccs.edu/ceonline<http://www.hccs.edu/ceonline>;

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