[Discussions] Multiple Due Dates (checkpoints) for Discussions
<Sorry if this is a repeated idea. I couldn't find it elsewhere and I'm a newbie>
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Thanks for the reply to this thread.
I understand that your projects need to be prioritized; the bottom line here is that this thread was initiated over four years ago, and as of right now, has 1,767 votes UP out of 1,779 (99.3%, same percent as my last post on 5/29/19). Consider this: national pollsters (Gallup, Rasmussen, et al) can achieve a sample of the U.S. population with a +/- of 3% by polling 1,000 people; you have a sample of almost twice that from a much smaller population -- isn’t it evident that many people want this feature? (And yes, because I'm sure someone will bring this up, those that comment and/or vote are a self-selecting group, but can 99.3% positivity be argued with?)
Again, I appreciate the reply, but explaining to us what a “priority” is won’t help me come fall here in a few weeks, when I get to start the cycle of explaining multiple due dates to students over and over and over again. Then, at the end of the term, I take a negative-comment hit on my evaluations for doing my job and trying to engage students throughout the week, hoping to prevent the "let's post everything on Saturday" routine.
Canvas has improved so much in the six years I’ve been using it, which is probably what has me befuddled the most concerning seemingly little things like this that have been ignored for nearing half of a decade. We're not asking you to redesign the LMS from the ground up, 2001 Mac OSX-style, it's just a due date.
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I think it has been well said that this is something that needs to be done, while other things which I have seen no talk about get done. For example, how we mute assignments has been updated from a simple Mute Assignment, then Unmute Assignment to a choice to hide grades, with detailed information, which then leads to the ability to show the grades for students who have been graded, except a student who was given an extension his grade was just shown to him without me needing to unhide the grade. Meanwhile, one can also use this new Grade Posting Policy which can be all of the time students can see them, or at some set time we can decide. Are you confused yet, because I know I am and so are my course designers. This was a simple process made difficult for no reason, while a TOOL that every single teacher and student wants goes, basically ignored as unimportant. Canvas was supposed to be the end all be all of LMSs and something that one would expect from a progressive application like Canvas to be done just is not. I have to say, Canvas is just another big old organizational machine, and just another learning management system. It is no better than Blackboard in the sense that they each have their quirks, and somethings work better than others in each of them (don't get me started about how there are no threaded discussions, just one big BLOB, that is having me move away from threaded discussion posts). I am actually disappointed in Canvas as thought it was better by reputation than it is, in actual.
I commented on this months ago!!!!! The need for this feature is tremendous for all involved. Disappointing that it can't be done. Without it there is so much frustration on the part of students AND teachers. Sigh.
For what it's worth, I work around the lack of multiple due dates for discussions by doing the following:
- Set the discussion forum with a due date for the initial post.
- Create a page with a to-do date for the replies.
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This is a great idea, also wonderful for a module progress bar
It is frustrating that with nearly 2000 votes for this *upgrade* it still has not been considered valuable enough to.make the change, which is a common feature within much lower-quality LMSs. Because people would not have to use two deadlines if they don't want them, there would be no downside for the end user.
With the *new gradebook* feature of automatic late penalties, the need for this feature has become increasingly critical. Here's why: If the single deadline is posted on the first date, when students post after that deadline, late penalties are applied even though the original post was on time. AND, if the second deadline is posted on the assignment (in the single deadline model currently available in Canvas), the calendar, syllabus, and notifications features do not support student awareness of the primary deadline, which is critical to meaningful discussion.
As a student at three colleges and an professor at two, I had discussions with multiple deadlines permitted in the much less robust LMSs. This is a basic function that should be a priority in order to make the discussion feature operate fully within the other features of your product.
If you seriously want to come up with solutions ot these items, create an end-user professor/teacher group and have the meaningful discussion. I volunteer if Instructire decides to provide us with the ability to do what can be done in much less robust systems, but posting detailed responses in this forum for some possibility that you have repeatedly rejected in spite of thousands of requests seems like a waste of time.
It is true that this request has been largely ignored despite multiple suggestions about how to implement it. However, something new I've noticed this semester is the ability to assign "to do" dates to pages. (It is a simple check box "add to student to-do" which opens a field for adding the date This has allowed me to create a page with the simple instruction "Mark this item complete after you have returned to this module's discussion to reply to your classmates." Then add the due date for replies and set the module requirement to "mark complete." These "to-do" dated pages show up in calender's and on the syllabus. It has been very successful at reminding students of participation requirements.
I have also tested the new gradebook's automatic late penalties. Since the replies now have a separate item with a separate due date, the discussion due date is for the initial post, and late penalties are applied correctly since initial posts are due before reply posts. The original post is not on-time (in my classes) if it is after the first due date, but I do understand your point if you use a different grading model.
You could apply the same concept as I am using without penalizing students who miss the first due date by using the page with a "to-do" date for the first due date and the due date for which you want late penalties applied on the actual discussion.
I do agree that it is still not an ideal solution and that it is poorly communicated to instructors, but it is a step forward towards making this work. Also, it let's me put other pages (like textbook reading assignments) on student calendars, and so I have seen a huge improvement in student participation and comprehension of requirements.
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