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colin_west
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Automatic "Missing" designation for assignments from external tool?

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Hello, 

I want to know if it is possible to get Canvas to automatically mark an assignment as "missing" after the due date and/or last available date for the assignment has passed. This seems to happen for assignments where, for example, the student has to upload a file. If they haven't done so by the due date, it gets flagged as missing. But when I give assignments based on an external LTI, nothing happens after the due date. Is there something I can change? 

Thanks!

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ataylor30
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Alrighty, chat support confirmed that as of now, the 'External Tool' submission type for assignments does not generate a 'Missing' tag, and so won't be automatically deducted per rules in the gradebook. However, it does look like it automatically removes the item from the student's to-do list upon submission, at least with the Turnitin external tool I just tested. That functionality may differ depending on the tool used.

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chofer
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Hello  @colin_west  Welcome to the Canvas Community.  Thank you for posting your question.  Are you setting the due date of the assignment in the external tool LTI?  There are some LTIs (such as Turnitin) where you can configure it such that the due date from Turnitin's LTI populates the due date field in Canvas.  Then, you don't have to make sure you've added a due date in both places.  Since I cannot see the screens you are looking at in your course, are you also editing the assignment to populate a due date in the Canvas interface (not the LTI interface)?  If you add a due date on the Canvas side, it should alert students if they missed the deadline.

Hope this helps, Colin.  Please let us know if you have additional questions about this...thanks!

colin_west
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Hi Chris, 

Thanks for the quick reply. The LTI I'm using is PlayPosit, and I have not been attempting to set the due dates in the LTI, only in Canvas itself. 

Is "alerting students if they missed the deadline" the same as marking the assignment as missing in my gradebook? The real reason I want to be able to do this is just so that students who miss the deadline will automatically get a score of zero via the gradebook "missing assignment" policy

-Colin

ataylor30
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Hi Chris,

We actually have an instructor in the same boat using the TestOut tool. The tool does populate the grade from the activity automatically when students take it, and the instructor is putting the due date in on the assignment as well, and that is populating into the Canvas assignment.

What we're wondering is whether or not Canvas will automatically assign the 'Missing' label to an assignment when the submission type is 'External Tool', and that sounds like the same scenario that Colin is interested in as well. Right now it appears that assignments with 'External Tool' at the submission type are dealt with more like 'No Submission' types in that they don't generate a 'Missing' label and thus don't get automatically marked with a zero as the due date passes.

Thanks very much!

Hey there,  @ataylor30 ...

Ah!  Are you using the new Gradebook at CVTC?  If so, we have not turned this on yet at Moraine Park.  So, to be completely honest, I am not sure how the "missing" label would work in the new Gradebook with LTIs.  Have you contacted Instructure's Help Desk about this to report it as a possible bug?

ataylor30
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Correct, since New Gradebook became something I could turn 'on' right before our first semester start, I figured we'd just flip the switch so no one got used to the old gradebook before having to switch eventually.

That will probably be my next step just to verify that I understand everything. My guess is that this is by design, but it will be good to know for sure. Thanks!

colin_west
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Andrew, I'll be curious to hear what you learn-- I've gotten mixed responses from the folks I've asked. 

For the record, yes, I am also using the new gradebook, and your scenario seems the same as mine. So far my experience is that it does not label any assignments as "missing" after the due date if the submission type is "external tool," although I have only tried two types of external tool so far (Kaltura and PlayPosit).

-Colin

ataylor30
Community Contributor

Alrighty, chat support confirmed that as of now, the 'External Tool' submission type for assignments does not generate a 'Missing' tag, and so won't be automatically deducted per rules in the gradebook. However, it does look like it automatically removes the item from the student's to-do list upon submission, at least with the Turnitin external tool I just tested. That functionality may differ depending on the tool used.

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eritchie
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This is still a problem for me. I have been using the Office 365 Cloud Assignment external tool. It is not populating missing marks or automatic zeros for assignments not turned in after the due date. Is there a fix for this? Or a workaround? I have been assigning Powerpoint slides using the tool, I don't know if that has anything to do with it.

I'm wondering if there is an update to this post as I am having the same issue with Testout.