Thank you Chris. I did see that, I thought that I had to create a new one to open it back for voting. Ideas that were open for voting are difficult for me to promote for voting in the K-12 environment. If this opens back up I feel that I could get the necessary votes.
This would really give the group spaces some zing. They are almost awesome but are lacking some functionality that you expect to have because they work in many ways like a normal course site.
As we are leaving our current email program (which has heavy emphasis on Conferences aka Groups), we are looking at replacement solutions. Canvas Groups is one of the solutions and the ability to set a Page as the homepage would be a great feature/enhancement to have! Definitely appears to be more inviting! So here's my vote
Many of our faculty use groups in their courses. Sometimes, though, students can have difficulty navigating between the course-level Canvas site and the group-level area. Giving groups the ability to set a home page would help mitigate that confusion.
Exactly the problem we had! Students were posting to discussions in their group when they meant to post to the class discussion and vice versa! It's really hard to distinguish between the two home pages especially if you use the activity stream in the course as the home page. If we can't get a custom home page, then at least Canvas should put a different skin on the group home pages ... something that makes it really obvious that you are not in Kansas anymore
We are experiencing mass confusion in the groups area, which seems to be an entirely different world tacked on top of the regular LMS. Students are wasting time creating new discussions (no ability to stop that in groups) that faculty will never see because their new discussion is not linked to the grading area.
Honestly, if I were asked what is the single worst thing about Canvas, I would probably say it's the design of the group area. In general, Canvas needs to give faculty more power to control what their students see. The "Bizarro Group Area" (where absolutely no control is given) is a prime example.
Hi Rodger,
As a teacher you absolutely have control over course groups and can decide whether or not students even see them. You can also use student preview to see your course the way your students do. If you search here in the community you will find guide articles on how to do both of these things.
So I can disable groups and still have group discussions? How? Send me a link to that document and I’ll buy your lunch, seriously.
Student view doesn’t work in groups, in my experience.
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Oh, sorry Rodger. I misunderstood. I thought you wanted to get away from groups altogether. Just to be sure, I created a new course, added students, created a new discussion and set it to be a group assignment. In order to add students to a group and I had to create a group set with groups, like you say. When the students log into the course, they can see and enter the groups, like you said. I can DM the student login into if you want to see it from their perspective as well?
Thanks for that effort. I do have an actual test student login I can use to see exactly how groups appear to students (the regular "preview" doesn't work because the instructor preview student cannot join a group).
We use graded group discussions in every class, and it is impossible to prevent students from creating a separate (not graded) discussion response by clicking "discussion" in the group menu and then the "+ discussion" button (no ability t o disable that button).
No problem, Rodger. I wish I could have found otherwise (and been in Tennessee) to earn that lunch.
Great idea. We're finding that some of our students (and staff...) are getting lost between course and group level areas, too.
Love this idea! Can't tell you how many times instructors have asked for this. Would be particularly useful also for "special" courses like our Student Resource Center or Faculty Lounge that are using groups but the lack of homepage in the Groups Interface is causing issues and confusion for students and faculty.
Laura Joseph, one of the concerns I have about making the groups home page behave exactly like the course home page is that it will further confuse users about whether they are in a Group space or a Course space. If we did enable setting a Group Home Page, what suggestions do you or the group have for making a better distinction between the two?
I'm very open to ideas so keep those coming. Please note, however, that if we did decide to make an improvement to the groups area, it would likely not come under consideration until the second half of this year.
Having groups set the homepage would differentiate the group space from the course homepage as the content would be specific to the group (e.g. project or topic based).
A group home would also enhance navigation through group content (e.g. groups could use the landing page to link to key wiki pages, files or discussions rather than having to go through those menu options or via announcements.)
A group homepage would also have an important phatic function; emphasising the social aspect of collaborative spaces is generally a good thing to do when you can in fully online courses (this might not be so important for blended courses).
The current group home doesn't look any different from the course default home page, it's just the course stream. I share the concern about groups looking different from courses, allowing for a customized home page would help, you could in big bold letters say something like "Welcome to USER GROUP XYZ."
Similarly, being able to change the navigation by hiding some of the options would be great (if your group doesn't use collaborations or conferences it's confusing to have it there).
Why would people be confused? Where you are is on the left hand side of the screen over the tabs (right over home by default), on the recent activity page, and in the breadcrumb trail at the top. I could see people occasionally making a mistake, but not many times over.
I too vote for allowing groups to choose a home page.
I've been confused about where I am (group vs. course) like others in this thread. However, I think of my own home.. I paint different rooms different colors, arrange the furniture differently, etc., so I would know where I was instantly even if I woke up in a room (after a long night!).
I've often thought of differentiating the different spaces in Canvas, and groups vs. courses is a good place to start. Some different screen arrangement, background, or something to set it off from a "standard" course space. Groups might have a zebra background and I'd sure know I was in a group (just kidding, of course, I wouldn't want to hurt any zebras!), but I think you get the idea. BTW, color should not be the only difference for accessibility concerns.
Groups are indeed awesome, and mostly used by students (at my institution), and since we're student-centered, it seems fitting that group members should be able to have teacher privileges inside their group, and have access to a "settings" area like regular course areas have, change the home page, adjust the left navigation, etc. I'd like to see a group as, "A Canvas within a Canvas," and let our groups run with it.
--mike
Michael Nieckoski
Keene State College Canvas Admin
Allison, I think the most widely supported way to address confusion about whether you're in the course site or a group would be to automatically incorporate a Group visual indicator (42 votes) shown along with the group's choice of home page.
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Updates to Groups are taking a backseat while we focus on upgrading Rich Content Editor, Modules and Notifications. Since we are unlikely to tackle this idea in 2016, I will archive it now.
Is there anyway to open this idea up again? We are using groups as a fun way for students to communicate and "hang" together on Canvas and to facilitate community. Being able to use a customized page as the homepage would be jus the thing to make their landing place attractive enough to be used often!
Thank you,
Ladonna Oros
BTW...How many votes do we need to get for the idea to be used?
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I hope it can be considered. This is causing issues with group discussions in some of our courses.
Oh, please don't let this go. We encourage collaboration, and landing on a blank page is unwelcoming and discouraging for students.
Not to mention confusing.
I'm voting for this enhancement. We have several courses using groups and this feature is often requested by faculty. Plus, it's confusing that you can set a page as the Front page in groups, but it doesn't have any value in the list pages.
I have a course to promote competitive fellowships on campus, and am using groups to organize application processes/provide resources for individual fellowships. The students are SO confused about where to find resources within group spaces; a homepage for each group space would be amazing!
I am rather new in this forum and don't know if this has already been mentioned, but there is a workaround which gives you that functionality already.
In Canvas most internal adresseing is done with wiki-pages.
One such is defined to be the grouphompage. I can't find any means to arbitralily choose this.
What you can is however to open the Page you want the group to open in and copy its adress.
You then create a direct link to the group in which you embed that adress.
This will result in you picking a de facto homepage for the group.
(The original homepage is still available from Home in the group).
Being able to set a group homepage for an online grad program we offer would be extremely beneficial. #HigherEdToo
We have several teachers and Canvas champions at our university calling for this functionality. As an educational developer I think this feature would support students' abilities to take control of their own online space, which is of importance when studying at university level.
It is now May 2018, and I would really love to see some traction on this idea. Given the need for increased networking skills among students, having a Group Area that can be customized and managed more effectively would be a huge value. We have a large number of groups being used for various reasons, but the limitations of the current Canvas group funcitonality pushes us to use full courses when groups would be much more appropriate. Is there any chance that Groups will move back up the priority ladder for Canvas?
I agree! I was just talking about this with my colleagues yesterday. We would really like to be able to better utilize these group spaces, but to do so, we need to be able to customize them with a homepage that lets students know how they can use the space, where they can find resources, etc.
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I was assigned assessment task as a student, having to set up my group space for other students to come in and participate in the activities and discussion we design for the week.
I'd add my voice as a very frustrated student with the group space features.
Currently we have some options within the student group space to create pages, to post announcements, discussions etc.
As we are assigned to a group space and running it as a mini class, as students, as part of our assessment. I am finding the group space really lacking support for my fellow students. I'm the "teacher" for a week, on a specific topic that we select, so each of us gets assigned a group space to add our materials and instructions etc.
I have to provide them with instructions and activities for my research topic, I can do that in Canvas pages fine. But there's no way (other than post an announcement) to tell my classmates, here's the place to look at.
A simple option to allow us to set a homepage, like the teachers can for a real course, would have been really useful!
A module feature would be great, too but I suspect not many would use it?
This is what my group area looks like:
Further to the point, I've noticed that when I peek into my classmate's group space, even though there was a discussion and an announcement created, the activity stream was blank. This made me worry that when others come to my space, they might not see these and think to click on them! Or they go straight to the discussion and lost the context!!
I gave up on Canvas and went to google site to create all the content, but now I feel that I need to add the link to every place I could think of, to ensure my classmates know how to orientate themselves. Not ideal!
A simple ability to set a homepage would have really helped here. They come here, there's a page that tells them what to do, no need to guess where to click! The feature is already available for staff... could it be a quick win?
As a learning technologist, I then realised why our students aren't using Canvas' group spaces, now that I've experienced trying to organise it as a student myself.
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Some students are part of several groups, and a home page would help students differentiate between classes and the groups they belong to. Professors could also use this area to elaborate on the groups' specific projects if needed. Currently, group sites are lackluster and maybe a deterrent for students and professors. Several programs are also using the group feature as a way to communicate to students.
Please, consider reopening.
Just this morning, the instructor came and told that she assigns each group a different topic, and wants to create Home Page with details and resources for each group. That is when I realized that it is not possible: although I was able setup the page for each group as Front Page, I couldn't find the way to assign it as a group home page. That was really confusing; then I found this blog.
It is very strange to have the option to declare a page "front page" - when it cannot be used as a front page. We have to tell our students not to pay any attention to what looks like an option.
To support learning we need to improve the tools for collaboration between students. This would be a good starting point.
I really think this needs to be created ASAP as we are trying to use groups more to support people during COVID19 an having a lack of homepage is problematic
Just up voted this idea and pretty depressing that it is now 5 years old. Group tasks hugely important particularly in the current climate of remote learning.
Studies gives collaborative tasks a +0.45 to +0.50 impact score and peer interaction tasks identified as a key factor in supporting learning - https://educationendowmentfoundation.org.uk/public/files/Publications/Covid-19_Resources/Remote_learning_evidence_review…
Making the group task personal to the group and allowing them to personalise the page should be an option available to them. Its only a little thing amongst a great many requests but it means a lot!
I fully agree. The universities in Sweden collaborate to improve the group functions in Canvas to facilitate group learning. But we need to get more people to vote on this proposal, among other ideas, to develop the group functions in Canvas.
Actually, they are not making the changes, but rather together trying to push Instructure to make the development.
Here is a list of some ideas they are pushing in the conversation:
1) As a teacher I want to be able to create sub-groups, e.g I want to divide Group A and B into A1, A2, A3 and B1, B2, B3 in order for students to collaborate in smaller groups while at the same time being able to access the material contained in parent groups.
https://community.canvaslms.com/ideas/15529-create-sub-groups
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2) As a teacher, I want to assign assignments for peer review in two additional ways:
- A group could provide peer review on other groups
- Individuals within a group could provide peer review on other students within the group (automatically assign peer reviews)
https://community.canvaslms.com/ideas/10128-peer-review-for-groups-to-review-other-groups
https://community.canvaslms.com/ideas/4789-assign-peer-reviews-by-student-group
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As a teacher, I want to choose from which groups I want to receive notifications so that I get a better overview of the groups' work.
https://community.canvaslms.com/ideas/1179-users-need-to-be-able-to-customize-notifications-at-the-course-level
https://community.canvaslms.com/ideas/3663-notifications-by-course
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As a teacher, I want to import/copy one/all groupset/s from other courses. I would also like to have the opportunity to copy the individuals.
https://community.canvaslms.com/ideas/1551-copy-group-settings
https://community.canvaslms.com/ideas/15651-copy-andor-import-group-sets
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As a student I want to see which course a group is related to in the global navigation menu.
https://community.canvaslms.com/ideas/14294-allow-students-to-addstar-groups-to-group-menu
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As a teacher I want to be able to assign individual assignments to groups instead of typing all student names manually one at a time. Likewise, announcements should be possible to direct to specific groups. The group creation process is user friendly which makes it a complement to the use of sections.
https://community.canvaslms.com/ideas/5574-assign-to-by-group-for-individual-assignment
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As a student I want to be able to specify group members who has been contributing to the work. This will be regarded as information to the teacher during assessment.
https://community.canvaslms.com/ideas/4982-peer-evaluation-for-group-projects
https://community.canvaslms.com/ideas/1272
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As a teacher, I want to be added to one or more specific group(s) as an active participant so that I can follow the group’s work easily (not all groups as standard)
https://community.canvaslms.com/ideas/14618-allow-teachers-to-be-added-to-groups
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As a teacher, I want to add the test student, from “Student view”, in a group so that I can see the group from the student view perspective.
https://community.canvaslms.com/ideas/15653-add-the-test-student-to-a-group
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As a student, I want to be able to star mark groups in the same way as courses so that I can easily find the right group.
https://community.canvaslms.com/ideas/14294-allow-students-to-addstar-groups-to-group-menu
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The group navigation list should be configurable so that either teacher or student group can choose functionality. Teachers should also be able to lock these settings.
As a teacher I want to be able to select what functionality will be available to a group, and visible in the group navigation menu. In this way I can better control how the group can collaborate.
https://community.canvaslms.com/ideas/15654-configure-group-navigation-list
A connected idea:
https://community.canvaslms.com/ideas/2579-allow-groups-to-set-homepage
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As a teacher, I want to make group area content available to students in read-only after a course is concluded. Students should be able to read but not be able to add content.
https://community.canvaslms.com/ideas/15299-group-access-to-a-concluded-course
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As a student, I want to see my groups in my calendar next to the courses and not further down in the navigation so that I don’t miss to activate the groups’ activities.
https://community.canvaslms.com/ideas/15655-show-group-calendar-at-the-course
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As a teacher, I want to be able to decide in advance when group-signup should be closed, to set a deadline for allowing self sign-up. Currently the teacher can close this possibility manually by changing the settings for the group set and disable the "Allow self sign-up”. But the teacher has to remember to really do this manually. The problem: Allowing students to sign up for groups implies that they can switch between groups several times. This means they can, if they want, spy what other groups are doing and they can switch groups before submission. https://community.canvaslms.com/ideas/12609-close-self-sign-up-to-groups-on-a-specific-date
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The self-sign-up to groups is hard to find for students. The ability for the teacher to put this on the course home page would make it easier to find.
https://community.canvaslms.com/ideas/15656-easier-self-sign-up
A connected idea:
https://community.canvaslms.com/ideas/12972-group-assignment-self-sign-up-from-submission-page
Here's the previous Feature Idea that has now been archived due to a lack of needed votes: Allow groups to set a page as the homepage