H5P not communicating to gradebook for late autograded work

[lrosen3]

When students do not complete an h5p assignment on time the item remains ungraded rather than receiving a 0 grade in the gradebook.  Students who do complete the assignment do have their scores appear in the gradebook. It does identify late submissions and penalize students per the late policy settings established in the gradebook settings. Automatically apply grade of 0 for missing submissions is selected. 

Attached is an image showing the settings and an assignment that has auto grading enabled. The grade spaces with a – are students who never submitted the work. It should have autograded to a 0. Any help is appreciated. 

[Jeff_F]

Hello @lrosen3 - external tools may have features to address late or missing work however oftentimes they do not. I consider h5p to be one of the 'lighter' integrations as this does not have a large number of editable settings or features for instructors or admins. That said, desired features such as due date linkage with Canvas assignments and passage of a zero for missing work could be communicated to that partner.

Here is the h5p roadmap: https://h5p.org/roadmap  I am not seeing references to late work however there is a comment board. 

My take: I would 100% suggest the feature to them however I would not be optimistic for a timely resolution with this. I believe they are intentionally pursuing the 'lighter' integration approach. Perhaps I am wrong - but I doubt it. ;o)

[lrosen3]

Looking at the image I sent, is it possibly the "automatically apply deductions to late submissions" is overriding the "automatically apply grade for missing submissions"? I can imagine Canvas perhaps not knowing at what point a student has decided not to bother submitting something and is still waiting for a late submission. Would this therefore prevent the automatic 0. The assignment has a due date identified but allows for penalized late submissions. Does canvas have a way of saying after Xnumber of days, any non-submissions are automatically assigned a 0? If not, shouldn't that be a feature request?

[Jeff_F]

Just because something is the way it is it doesn't mean it has to stay that way, right? That is my initial thinking with this but as I ponder the question a bit more I think there is an issue. If an assignment is configured with an external tool, some of these tools have their own late policy / missing policy and pass that on to Canvas. And as we see with H5P some tools do not have such features. So I am wondering how Canvas would know what features the external tool has and what reduction has or has not been applied by that tool before the grade is passed to Canvas. Also, what would trigger an entry of a zero? If it is merely a non submission as of the due date, then what happens if the student subsequently completes the work on the external tool. How is that grade passing over? And what if the instructor intentionally entered the zero. I think these are some of the considerations for us here.

But we don't have to think through this 100%. Perhaps there could be an assignment subtype or such a setting that instructors can opt in to use when configuring an assignment or via Grades. I for one would like a zero to be entered automatically for missing work. Then if students post late, changing the cell fill color to blue alerts me to a need to review the late submission. Going back to my initial sentence, why not ask for such a feature?

By the way, the late policy notes in the guide are rather extensive. Of interest, I am not seeing where they come out and say the late policy doesn't work with external tools. I am adding feedback to the guide.

https://community.canvaslms.com/t5/Instructor-Guide/How-do-I-apply-a-Late-Submission-policy-in-the-G... 

[chriscas · Accepted solution]

Hi @lrosen3,

I think the issue is actually spelled out in the How do I apply a Missing Submission policy in the ... - Instructure Community - 963 guide.  One of the notes says "The Missing Submission policy is not automatically applied to No Submission, On Paper, or External Tool assignments with the exception of New Quizzes quizzes. However, you can add a Missing label in the Grade Detail Tray. Learn how to change the status of a submission."  I believe H5P is an external tool, so according to this, the experience you have right now is expected.  I think some of it has to do with what @Jeff_F was talking about with different external systems acting in different ways, and Instructure probably wants to err on the side of caution when it comes to marking grades down.

I hope this info helps, even if it's not what you wanted to hear.

-Chris